New Mossie VI vs 110G2

[STEELE]

What makes the 110 worthy of a 10 ENY rating, when the 30 ENY Mossie is better in almost every way?  Its faster, dives better, rolls better, zooms better, 4 deadly cannon that is the easiest to use gun package in the game (and 4 mg's with tons of ammo)
 

[MachFly]

Good question

[Plazus]

ENY, as well as perks, are all based on game play use, not just by performance. In this respect, the 110G has a lower ENY value than the Mossie VI because the 110G sees more use in the game. Also, the 110G has superior guns and is highly effective in the Air to Ground role. If Mossies were much more commonly flown like the 110, we would probably see a lower ENY value on the aircraft.

[EskimoJoe]

Armament? Versatility?

The 110G2 can still fight air to air quite effectively.
The problem is almost nobody can or bothers to fly
the G2 to its strengths. It'll rip anything in the air
apart with a good squeeze of the trigger, while the
mossi tends to need extra rounds on target.

[MachFly]

Armament? Versatility?

The 110G2 can still fight air to air quite effectively.
The problem is almost nobody can or bothers to fly
the G2 to its strengths. It'll rip anything in the air
apart with a good squeeze of the trigger, while the
mossi tends to need extra rounds on target.

So will the mossy, 4 20mm has to be enough to take out anything that's flying.

[MachFly]

ENY, as well as perks, are all based on game play use, not just by performance. In this respect, the 110G has a lower ENY value than the Mossie VI because the 110G sees more use in the game. Also, the 110G has superior guns and is highly effective in the Air to Ground role. If Mossies were much more commonly flown like the 110, we would probably see a lower ENY value on the aircraft.

I don't think ENY is bases on game use, look at the 109K for example, it's used almost as much as a pony and is capable of almost anything, the only major disadvantage it has is the gun.

[EskimoJoe]

So will the mossy, 4 20mm has to be enough to take out anything that's flying.

I never said it wasn't enough, I said it tends to need more rounds
into a target than the G2's 30mm cannons.

[MachFly]

I never said it wasn't enough, I said it tends to need more rounds
into a target than the G2's 30mm cannons.

30mm round do have a greater stopping power however I think the rate of fire of the 20mm guns compensates for that. Yes the target will need more rounds but it is easier to hit the target with 20mms than 30mms.

[Karnak]

What makes the 110 worthy of a 10 ENY rating, when the 30 ENY Mossie is better in almost every way?  Its faster, dives better, rolls better, zooms better, 4 deadly cannon that is the easiest to use gun package in the game (and 4 mg's with tons of ammo)
 

Bf 110G-2: Kills: 4867 Deaths: 6748 K/D: 0.72
Mosquito Mk VI Kills: 3913 Deaths: 3692 K/D: 1.06

Bf110G-2's ENY seems like it is too low to me.  By usage it should be lower than the Mossie, but not that much lower.  Maybe a 20ish ENY.  It does pack a lot more total destruction when employed against ground targets.  Air-to-air does favor the Mossie though.

I don't think ENY is bases on game use, look at the 109K for example, it's used almost as much as a pony and is capable of almost anything, the only major disadvantage it has is the gun.

P-51D: Kills: 28893 Deaths: 22683 K/D: 1.27
Bf 109K-4: Kills: 8238 Deaths: 6089 K/D: 1.35

Bf109K-4 doesn't come close to the P-51D's usage.

(all stats pulled from Late War Tour 135)

[MachFly]

P-51D: Kills: 28893 Deaths: 22683 K/D: 1.27
Bf 109K-4: Kills: 8238 Deaths: 6089 K/D: 1.35

Bf109K-4 doesn't come close to the P-51D's usage.

(all stats pulled from Late War Tour 135)

Fine I used a bad example but the K4 does get used a lot.

[AWwrgwy]

I don't think ENY is bases on game use, look at the 109K for example, it's used almost as much as a pony and is capable of almost anything, the only major disadvantage it has is the gun.

Lusche!!  Chart needed.

Tour 135:

P-51D    Kills-28893    Deaths-22683
109K4    Kills-  8238    Deaths- 6089

Hey, that's close(?)  

Bf 110G-2: Kills: 4867 Deaths: 6748 K/D: 0.72
Mosquito Mk VI Kills: 3913 Deaths: 3692 K/D: 1.06

Bf110G-2's ENY seems like it is too low to me.  By usage it should be lower than the Mossie, but not that much lower.  Maybe a 20ish ENY.  It does pack a lot more total destruction when employed against ground targets.  Air-to-air does favor the Mossie though.
 
P-51D: Kills: 28893 Deaths: 22683 K/D: 1.27
Bf 109K-4: Kills: 8238 Deaths: 6089 K/D: 1.35

Bf109K-4 doesn't come close to the P-51D's usage.

(all stats pulled from Late War Tour 135)

110 is used as an attack aircraft against towns probably much more than it's Historical use as a bomber interceptor.
How many sorties are there where a 110G did not get a kill nor die?


wrongway

[Karnak]

Capability also matters in ENY.  In Late War Tour 135 the Spitfire Mk XVI had 15573 kills, far less than the P-51D, yet it also has an ENY of 5.  ENY is not primarily a control on popular aircraft, it is also intended to deny more potent aircraft to the side with numbers.  From that perspective, the Bf110G-2 is a great base capturing tool and it could be that HTC is trying to deny use of that tool to over populated sides as a method of slowing them down.

[BnZs]

 ENY is not primarily a control on popular aircraft,

In the case of the P-51D, it really really is. :-) The non-perked planes most similar to it, the D9, La7, F4u-1A, and Typhoon show an almost identical k/d tour to tour, in fact the D9's K/D is consistently significantly better. All these machines are similar, but the P-51D yields speed, climb (at typical MA alts) to the D9, as well as roll rate and hitting power, while having an advantage in maneuverability. To the La7 it yields both energy performance and maneuveribility. The Typhoon is basically just as fast and carries 4 Hispanos of death, and commonly betters the P-51 on k/d tour to tour. The F4U 1A is very nearly as fast, and more maneuverable in both turn and roll, showing disadvantage only in climb and acceleration. And it can operate off a carrier! The ONLY factor that can possibly singling the P-51D out for ENY 5 status is popularity. Currently there are only non-perked ENY 5 rides, the P-51D and the Spixteen, an odd situation IMO.

[Noir]

well a 110G2 can take down 2 hangars and some other stuff. A mossie will struggle to kill a single one.

and IIRC is the only AH plane that can field 6 forward firing cannons.

[Karnak]

Or, BnZs, you can just hand wave away all of the strengths of the P-51D and pretend it totally sucks to try to sell your agenda.

Oh wait, that is exactly what you did.

The P-51D is one of the best tools in the game for taking territory.  It is fast, carries a lot of ordnance, has long endurance, has guns that are easy to hit with, handles very smoothly at speed and has great cockpit views.

That isn't to say that the aircraft you listed don't also have nice capabilities as well, but to pretend the P-51D is completely overshadowed is silly.  As a package deal it is very good.