Boy, 4, mauled to death by dog in his NYC home

[F22RaptorDude]

we had a pitbull and he would never show any agression unless provoked to a good point. like when my neighbor shot him with his airsoft rifle. then my dog almost bit his arm off...

Thats the dumbest thing i've heard all day, well he could have put his arm in its mouth then shot it 

[skorpion]

Thats the dumbest thing i've heard all day, well he could have put his arm in its mouth then shot it 

ok...my dog was shot by my old neighbor with an airsoft rifle. he got pissed and went beserk on him.

[F22RaptorDude]

ok...my dog was shot by my old neighbor with an airsoft rifle. he got pissed and went beserk on him.

I can imagine, my friend did the same thing to his friends bull dog.

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we had a pitbull and he would never show any agression unless provoked to a good point. like when my neighbor shot him with his airsoft rifle. then my dog almost bit his arm off...

chances are it was NOT a APBT

[CAP1]

Pits might be naturally aggressive but if you train them right and provide them a loving home they will be sweethearts just like any dog.  Bad dogs don't come from good families or owners.

a good friend of mine had two of them. VERY good dogs. unfortunately, she had to have one put down, as the dog was old, and dying.........it's a shame too.

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redman...said it before I will say it again...she is so damn beautiful

So what constitutes a "good family" then?

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against pitbulls (other than their looks, they definitely don't appeal to me in that aspect).  I just doubt that many of the folks who have dog-related problems consider themselves to be from "bad families".  I doubt they expect problems will occur until after the fact.  I'd never own one because I have no use for them (I use my dogs for hunting).  My in-laws have several pits, and have never had issues with them.

I have lots of experience with dogs, and with training them (and other animals) to a higher level than most (hand and whistle signals, field dogs, falconry-trained field dogs, retrievers and pointers, etc).  I've never had issues with any of them, except for one.  I still have him (male Jack Russel terrier).  He's a damn fine dog, but has a temper like a light-switch.  He'll be fine for months, and then go into a 10 minute pissed-off mode for no reason.  In those moments, he's definitely capable of hurting someone.  He was much worse earlier, and has made great strides over the last 4-5 years, but he still has occasional "episodes".  His real issue is with me, because he thinks he should be the top-dog in the house.  He never has problems with my wife or kids anymore (although he's tried to assert dominance over my kids in the past), but he still occasionally thinks he can take me.

We're talking about a 13# animal that's definitely the "odd dog" in a string of other dogs that have never had problems.  My family hasn't changed, but the dog is different...

what are you kidding me the APBT is an absolutely awesome hunting dog,insanely easy to train...all right I will stop there I know I am biased for my APBT...me personally I will never own another breed of dog.

[Karnak]

Problem isn't the dog, it is the fact that a certain kind of owner is attracted to certain breeds and that kind of owner wants the dog to be mean and macho and they take steps to make the dog so.  The fact that they want to be seen as a manly man and they think their dog reflects on their masculinity is the cause of the problems.

[morfiend]

Fila Brasileiro

most aggressive dog in the world

I read somewhere that this dog will NOT accept strangers, and judges are advised NOT to handle it during a show.

  The fila is a rare dog breed that is naturally aggressive,I've seen them at dog shows and the judges dont even come close to examine the dogs.The owner must show the "bite' to the judge so he/she can score the dog appropiately.

  The fila is an exception to the rule,most dogs are pack animals and thus they are social and need a leader! The Fila was bred as a slave retrival dog along with a couple other mastifs that may or may not be extinct.

  A "real" pitbull will not have or show any human aggression,it's simply not allowed and any human agrresive dogs were culled from the gene pool. However in the last 30 or 40 years they have been bred with other dogs and trained to be attack dogs and this has all but ruined the breed!

     I've been raising "Bull" breeds for over 30 years and never has a dog of mine caused a problem with people,other dogs yes but only because those dogs were roaming free!


     

[M0nkey_Man]

So are Chihuahuas.

one bit me and i got to see how far it could fly

[M0nkey_Man]

Summer camp starts tomorrow so I figured i'd be doing stuff. Wednesday i'm going to a firing range with the group and we are being briefed on gun safety for 2 hours, then shoot for 3 hours, then hiking Thursday and Kayaking Friday. Then the week after its preparing for camping and survival lessons. Its all about responsibility and team work. I told you a few weeks ago but everyone gave me the  face when I mentioned it.

learned gun safety and how to shoot in 30 minutes,i have 11 medals from local shooting competitions (yes that was a look at me post )

[F22RaptorDude]

learned gun safety and how to shoot in 30 minutes,i have 11 medals from local shooting competitions (yes that was a look at me post )

But i'm actually going? Hell i'm getting my friend to record most of it, and for us gun safety is an hour and a half, I don't know how many people will be there though, most people in my area(teens) are terrified of cops.

[grizz441]

Problem isn't the dog, it is the fact that a certain kind of owner is attracted to certain breeds and that kind of owner wants the dog to be mean and macho and they take steps to make the dog so.  The fact that they want to be seen as a manly man and they think their dog reflects on their masculinity is the cause of the problems.

Yep.

[M0nkey_Man]

But i'm actually going? Hell i'm getting my friend to record most of it, and for us gun safety is an hour and a half, I don't know how many people will be there though, most people in my area(teens) are terrified of cops.

lol I learned it all from a guy whos best friend is a cop

[mtnman]

redman...said it before I will say it again...she is so damn beautiful
 

what are you kidding me the APBT is an absolutely awesome hunting dog,insanely easy to train...all right I will stop there I know I am biased for my APBT...me personally I will never own another breed of dog.

What type of hunting have you trained yours for?  What type of hunting are other people using them for?  I understand the breed was originally bred for bear and bull-baiting, but I've never seen or heard that they were intended for hunting other than as a distant secondary use when bull and bear-baiting became illegal?  As a terrier, I've heard they were used for ratting as well?

I've heard them described with "hunting" as a generic use, but no specifics.  What are they awesome at hunting (serious question)?

Regardless, they wouldn't be suitable for the type of hunting I use my dogs for (I use my dogs for specialized hunting, which MOST dogs don't have the breeding to be good-enough at to be worth my time; it's not a cut against the pit as a breed).  And since I expect my dogs to be of use to me in the field, a pit (or most other breeds) wouldn't make the "cut".  I expect my dogs to be well-trained and well-behaved around the home of course, but I don't have dogs just to have dogs.  They have a primary purpose, which is hunting.  I use my JRT for the types of hunting it excels at, and my German Short Hair for what it excels at.  They seldom hunt together, because they seldom compliment each other (for my uses).

"Easy to train" is a plus, but not a requirement of mine.  It certainly doesn't take priority over the traits I require.

[morfiend]

 Mtnman,

 Some pits and pitcrosses are use to hunt hogs,the Dogo de Argentina is a highly develope crossbreed that specializes in wild boar hunting were the dog is used as a catch dog and holds the boar while the hunt dispatches it with his knife.

  The pitbulls and most terriers are all from some type for hunting line,mind you the pitbull was developed with a specific purpose in mind and that wasnt really anything to do with hunting. BTW,pitbulls were not used for bull or bear baiting,they came about as a result of the outlawing of baiting animals as the type of dog that was used for such things didnt make very "good" fighters. The fights ended up with 2 dogs just holding fast and nothing much came of it so in order to "liven" up the fights terrier blood was added to the bulldogs.

  The bulldogs of those days looked nothing like the modern English bulldog but more resembled the modern day American bulldogs.

   Most of the bull breeds today,with the exception of the english bulldog,are general purpose dogs,meaning they can be trained to do many different things.You could train one to retrieve ducks or pheasent but that doesnt mean they'd be good at it....

   I have a pair of English Staffordshire bullterriers ATM but I raised mostly English Bull Terriers,the ones wiith the egg shaped heads,1 of my Bullies went on to title as a UDX,basically could have qualified as a police dog. Unfortunately just because he could do the job doesnt mean he would have been good at it,he was too friendly! At a dogshow I felt him tug on his leash,this was odd,I looked down and he had a dauchsund clamped down on his face,he looked at me as if to say would you please remove this annoyance!!! 

     Ya so much for the blood thirsty pitbulls!!!