More Ju88s and Mossies

[iron650]

+1 for new Ju88s!
+1 for new Mossies!

[cobia38]

May I ask why you don't think the Mossies would be good as well?

  same reason you dont want varients of A-20s 

[fbWldcat]

The Ju-88 is already an excellent aircraft in the game. Variants including those for more specialized roles would greatly add to the diversity of the German plane set. I give a big +1 to both the new mossies and the Ju-88s especially. I have nothing against the mossie, but I just prefer the Ju-88. Both planes are great, though.  

[230G]

 Likewise.
+1 on the 88's, -1 on the Mossies; specifically the Mosquito FB.MK XVIII. Why you might ask? Because in a different thread on the Wishlist forum, Karnak himself railed against what he called a "historically insignificant" aircraft (the Defiant). Since fewer than 20 of the Mosquito FB.MK XVIII's were built, I'd have to say they fall squarely in the "historically insignificant" catagory.
  I'd love to see more 88's as they were a real workhorse in the Luftwaffe with lots of variants.
   230G/35W

[Karnak]

27 Mk XVIII's were built.  Yes, a very low number, but they saw heavy use, sinking many ships and U-boats.  Not exactly historically insignificant.  Much more significant than the Ta152 as a matter of fact.

Cobia,

I have nothing against new versions of the A-20, presuming that the new version is not a rare cannon armed version which would entirely replace the historical 50 cal armed A-20G in use in AH.  You're request for the cannon armed A-20G had nothing to do with the historical use of the airplane and everything to do with "get me four cannons!!!!!!!"

[Oddball-CAF]

  I'm all for -anything- that'd get the JU88s out of hanger queen status. Hell, the only time
folks fly 'em anymore is when the (cough) loveable ENY forces 'em into it. Exception
being, noobz who don't know any better.

[230G]

......but they saw heavy use, sinking many ships and U-boats.

  WOW! Such specific, detailed data really does support your case for the Mossie FB.MK XVIII.

[B3YT]

JU88's carry just as much as B17 and faster . I would up them for town killing and V base attacks .

[RTHolmes]

  WOW! Such specific, detailed data really does support your case for the Mossie FB.MK XVIII.

word to the wise - karnak is not a guy to call out for lack of data on mossies ...

... only 17 Tsetses built, and only 13 of them saw combat, but they did ridiculous amounts of damage to enemy shipping. I havent pulled the exact numbers but it looks like about 8 U-boats sunk and another 10 or so damaged, 30+ ships sunk and more than double that damaged, a Ju-88 (confirmed) and a Bf109 (possible,) plus a few shore AA batteries. All that for 4 combat losses (2 to fighters, 2 to flak.) blimey!

saw combat (lots of it), served in squadron strength, fulfills the inclusion criteria.

[Bruv119]

  I'm all for -anything- that'd get the JU88s out of hanger queen status. Hell, the only time
folks fly 'em anymore is when the (cough) loveable ENY forces 'em into it. Exception
being, noobz who don't know any better.

I use them for my attack rank damage,   4 large eggs,  I think people do not realise they are over 3000lbs each when they see 1500kg in the hangar 

They can wreck a town in 2 passes.   Or flatten 4 hangars on a vbase,  just pickle the small ones in for good measure.   I would say it is one of the most under rated bombers in game. 

I'm all for more variants especially if we get the Mossie Tse Tse,   25 rounds of 57mm molins ammo will do nicely against gv's.   Think lighter more manoeuvrable  B25H.   

[Lusche]

They can wreck a town in 2 passes.   Or flatten 4 hangars on a vbase,  just pickle the small ones in for good measure.   I would say it is one of the most under rated bombers in game. 

I don't think people underrate the bomb load. They just correctly rate the survivability in the LW arena.

[iron650]

A single Ju88 for precision bombing is my choice. Wrecked the town around a flag in a single pass.  
The Mossie with a Tse Tse will be good with the 4 37mm German Bkr cannons in gondolas, too. (Ju88 P-3. Please correct if wrong.)  

 same reason you dont want varients of A-20s  

The glass nosed 4 20mm versions after 2500 models were cancelled. They found the cannons unreliable.

Anyways, the 500kg bombs are enough to destroy hangars and shore batteries. I think the 20 50kg bombs can also take out something of that sort if used with precision bombing. The survivability on the other hand is very low.

[Karnak]

Seems there were only 17 Tsetses built, and only 13 of them saw combat, but they did ridiculous amounts of damage to enemy shipping. I havent pulled the exact numbers but it looks like about 8 U-boats sunk and another 10 or so damaged, 30+ ships sunk and more than double that damaged, a Ju-88 (confirmed) and a Bf109 (possible,) plus a few shore AA batteries. All that for 4 combat losses (2 to fighters, 2 to flak.) blimey!

I am not sure where RTHolmes got the 17 number, all my data says 27 built and converted from Mk VI's.  The 17 may just be the new build numbers.  I don't have the number used in combat in front of me, but they were worked hard by Coastal Command.

Also, the Ju88 destroyed was a Ju88C that was part of a group of Ju88 fighters covering a convoy.  The Tse Tses were escorted by Mossie VI's, but one of the Tse Tses apparently wasn't satisfied with just taking on the ships.

[ScottyK]

using the 20 50kg bombs on the center of town with a salvo of 10 is great for milkruns

[Karnak]

My best ever sortie in a Ju88 was back in AH1 prior to formations.  I took four fighters with me, including an F4U-1C and N1K2-J.  Sadly the N1K2-J got me as well.