I may be wrong but I doubt I have ever stated anything like this.
HiTech
so the bolded text "...implementing the pilot manual flap speed limitations" directly quoted from that discusson wasn't you?
maybe i misinterpreted the way it was written.
The problem is that you have this problem across almost every aspect of the game. Engine limitations are an excellent example for one. A lot of the restrictions that are in place were restrictions imposed by the manufacturer or by the using air force, regardless of whether or not the aircraft could perform differently in reality. Robert Johnson used to talk about pulling 75" of MP in his Jug after his mechanic modified the turbo mechanism--it was possible to do, but should it be included in-game? No. Same for the flap settings. There has to be some sort of baseline. The flap deployment speeds for the P-51 and P-38, two examples previously mentioned and discussed, have documentation to support their use at the speeds in question. [Rhetorical question not directed at you Gyrene] Why not just ask HTC how they arrived at the flap deployment speeds of the P-47 if you can't find documentation, instead of "demanding" equality with what's represented for the Luftwaffe rides, in order to correct some sort of perceived inequity? I guarantee that the 109 and 190 in-game achieve the same modeling fidelity as the U.S. rides, at least as far as HTC has documentation to make them so. Now, if the Luftwaffe special instruction #4056, that detailed new approved flap deployment speeds, got burned up with Goering's dresses on 7 May, then we may never know, but it won't be because HTC didn't want the Luftrides to perform properly.
i agree stoney, there has to be a baseline but what dictates that baseline, the pilot manual or manufacturer testing documents or something else? if it is the pilot manuals, is it the speeds in the take off instructions or landing instructions, or maximum safe speeds? obviously there is some room for interpretation if a mechanical adjustment such as the flap mechanism on the bf109 is artificially prevented from working even 5 degrees at speeds above "maximum safe speed for
full deployment". i have pdf versions of original bf109b/e/f/g/k pilot manuals that people have been kind enough to share on other sites, and i've gone through the painstaking process of translating most of them. i'm still attempting to translate the 190 pilot manuals i've acquired. i have only seen one document that states the luftwaffe command imposed flap speed limitations on pilots and that was supposedly a u.s. intelligence document that was dated sometime in november 1944, and i couldn't get a copy of it. if you have a copy of that luftwaffe special instruction #4056, would you mind sharing it? you're the first person i've seen that mentions it.
but this isn't about just the luftwaffe aircraft. the p-40, p-47 and p-39 manuals have specific warnings and descriptive consequences if certain things are done/not done, yet some things can be done in ah without consequence due to no artificial limitations on those actions. there is no doubt that the p-47, p-51, f6f, f4u and other u.s. fighters could deploy a combat flap setting at speeds over 300 mph, as combat reports from pilots show, but the manuals don't have that information in them. try imposing an artificial barrier below 250 mph in any of those aircraft because the information is not in the pilot manuals and a riot will ensue.
with all of the knowledge and information that has passed just on these boards by people like stoney, krusty, karnak, colmbo and numerous others, is anyone actually foolish enough to believe that the u.s. was the only country in the world that had aircraft that could deploy as little as 10 degrees of flap deflection over 190mph ias?
