KI-84

[Butcher]

thanx man

I cant really take credit for that so much, it was the default skin a lot of the weathering was on it, I did rework it some but, definitely not all, and with out that default skin I would not have been able to make it look like this.

thanx

I think you did an excellent job, I would surely make this my primary skin for the 84! <S>

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I snipped just a few of your responses there.

1) You are right they were not black. However it was not a kamikaze plane. That was the thought when I did my Ki-84 skin, however it turns out with a bit more research the Ki-84s were too valuable to use for that purpose (and there were plenty of other older craft to do the job). These Ki-84s often escorted the kamikaze groups, but were the cover against US planes, rather than suicide pilots. They would have some weathering due simply to the heavy use and the weather and the quality of paint/primers in Japanese use.

2) I think I'm safe in saying that, while there are MANY different roads to take, yours is in fact the wrong one to take. You're not skinning a plane, or applying much actual paint. 3 layers? That's literally doing almost nothing. While you put effort into it, you really need to put some of your own effort in, rather than using 95% of the original. You need to paint your own parts, put on your own markings, etc. Even if you get creative with the mixing of details, with how you want to mimick what's on the default, you still need to do the work yourself. That's not subjective, that's just the right way to do it. You have to do it yourself. The first one is always daunting, but once you get over that uncertainty you'll find it's much easier than you thought it would be. Time consuming or not, that's how you do it. The thing about skins is there is no race. There is no time limit on it. If you only get so much done in a week, a month, a year, you just keep doing it when you have the free time. You don't need marathon sessions.

3) I mean this with no insult or ill will, simply as an attempt to help somebody get on the right path to figuring out how to skin....

The mistake was simply covering up part of the default. I'm not trying to be elitist nor to be snobbish or anything, but that's not skinning. Even if you make something look like something else that has already been done, or even if you want to do the exact same subject as somebody else, you have to do it. Otherwise it's like stealing somebody's work. I've heard one or two cases of that happening with AH skins in the past and the person copied was not happy at all.

Granted the default skins are there to use as a template, so it's a bit of a fine line, but I think if you want to work with skins you need to do much more than you have already. Work on just getting the solid colors in place, then work on the details. As you now the software that will help you greatly in figuring out how to do it. The "how" you do it is up to you, and this goes back to your subjective comments. It is subjective, and for the most part there is no wrong way as long as the results hold up (and as long as you didn't rip off somebody else's work). They just don't hold up here, and the effort isn't there.


I'm not picking on you, it's just not very good to try to skin that way. I wanted to comment on it to help (possibly).

I had a long response to ya but after reading it, I realize I am defending....which I am not gonna do.

as far as I knew the default is there for us to modify/use to make skins, which is exactly what I did, I am not gonna get into a debate of what is the right way of skinning.

I used the program and its tools to do the work.

 ether way thanx for the input.

I think you did an excellent job, I would surely make this my primary skin for the 84! <S>

thank ya man

[Krusty]

Ink it's not about defending what you did. It's about the effort put in. If you only want to do 1 hour of effort for a skin, you probably will never get it approved by HTC. It's not any one thing, it's just the nature of the craft. Nascar drivers don't just put 10 minutes into a race. Arwatermelonects don't stop on the first floor of a skyscraper. etc.

So, keep in mind this wasn't personal nor was it meant to be hurtful, but if somebody puts a mustache on the Mona Lisa, are they really creating anything new? (disclaimer: Not saying any of these skins are the same quality as the Mona Lisa, just using an example)


EDIT: I think if you tried it the traditional way you wouldn't be bad at all. Knowing the software is generally the hard part. If time is your main concern, don't sweat it. Just do what you can, save the file, and it will be there when you have more free time. I think playing around is a good way to learn, but that the quality in the screenshots shown above isn't the greatest and probably wouldn't be good enough to accept into the game. Then again I'm no HTC, and I'm not the one reviewing them. They rejected my first 2 skins, and I must say it was for the better because I tried harder and eventually got better.

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Ink it's not about defending what you did. It's about the effort put in. If you only want to do 1 hour of effort for a skin, you probably will never get it approved by HTC. It's not any one thing, it's just the nature of the craft. Nascar drivers don't just put 10 minutes into a race. Arwatermelonects don't stop on the first floor of a skyscraper. etc.

So, keep in mind this wasn't personal nor was it meant to be hurtful, but if somebody puts a mustache on the Mona Lisa, are they really creating anything new? (disclaimer: Not saying any of these skins are the same quality as the Mona Lisa, just using an example)

I put a hell of a lot more time into it then an hour... more like ten, trust me I know all about putting time into something to get it right, how many hours do you think I put into that dragon head?

take a guess how many hours I spent on this? its 18by24 with a paint brush.


or this? same 18by24 with a paint brush, incidentally this is my second portrait painting.



what about this



if you were to guess 50+ hours on each one you might be close, but still shy.

 my point is you are not talking to some noob who does not know what it takes to make something look good, I created those pieces from scratch, my hand my eye.....skinning is a process and I know that, what you said was not hurt full it was arrogant, at least that's how I took it, but that could be just me and not your intention at all, that's why I changed my reply.

you would have gotten a lot further if you would have said something like, "hey looks decent but it still looks too much like the default", BAMM I would have totally saw your point with out the arrogant attitude, again I am not saying that's what you were doing, but it is how I took it, and of course mention the seafoam green or anything glaringly off.  

I went back and looked at the bmp file...lol now all I can see is the damn seafoam green

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I had no intention of submitting it yet, not by any means....this to me is definitely something I want to get as perfect as possible...I put it out here to get feed back simple as that, would people like it? is it even worth doing...such like that.

time is an issue...I do have 6 kids with my wife, and I am living on borrowed time, so ya I want to get it done as fast as possible and still yield a great skin.

[Fencer51]

10 hours on a skin is nothing.

Now if I took your painting of the reptile, changed the tail color bands and posted it as my own work.. would that be ok with you? 

Thats what you did to the default skin.  You modified it slightly, changing the tail color and few fiddly bits and then posted it as your own work.

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10 hours on a skin is nothing.

Now if I took your painting of the reptile, changed the tail color bands and posted it as my own work.. would that be ok with you? 

Thats what you did to the default skin.  You modified it slightly, changing the tail color and few fiddly bits and then posted it as your own work.

I never took credit for the weathering...not even close...... and yes I worked on just about every part of the plane, actually every part of the plane, has my touch to it, it is more then "slightly" modified.
   show me where I took credit for the weathering......as soon as someone mentioned that, I immediately said it was from the default skin, and with out it I would not have been able to make it look like that

and I am sure ten hours on a skin is not a lot....like I already said, I am not done..didn't say it was done...didn't imply it was done......

ehh im done obviously you have reading comprehension issues. so no matter what I say you will read into it what ever you want.

[Slash27]

INK, you're doing it wong!!! Get out of here!!!!!

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INK, you're doing it wong!!! Get out of here!!!!!

 

[Krupinski]

I think it's hawt, good ideas can always be improved.

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I think it's hawt, good ideas can always be improved.

Thank ya Krup...I be working on that.

[IrishOne]

jeez ink, you didn't get it PERFECT on your first attempt?!?!  for shame!!!!


looks great to me        keep it up, i'm sure i'll be rockin INK skins in no time 

[Krusty]

I don't mean to be rude, but I'm afraid I must.


Are we done with all the muppets gushing? Can we move on? It's really not that great. Don't get me wrong it's not awful, not terrible, but it's not "PERFECT" and so forth. I get you want to support your squadmate, but let's not over-inflate his ego when he's just beginning, eh?


Okay, </RUDENESS> here.

[IrishOne]

      good job ink     

[Slash27]

I don't mean to be rude, but I'm afraid I must.


Are we done with all the muppets gushing? Can we move on? It's really not that great. Don't get me wrong it's not awful, not terrible, but it's not "PERFECT" and so forth. I get you want to support your squadmate, but let's not over-inflate his ego when he's just beginning, eh?


Okay, </RUDENESS> here.

Not one person said it's perfect. It's the first draft of the guys first skin. Sorry you don't want INK and his " ego" in your little sandbox krusty. If you have nothing other to say than your typical " it's sucks" then just work on the assumption we all get you won't like it.

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I don't mean to be rude, but I'm afraid I must.


Are we done with all the muppets gushing? Can we move on? It's really not that great. Don't get me wrong it's not awful, not terrible, but it's not "PERFECT" and so forth. I get you want to support your squadmate, but let's not over-inflate his ego when he's just beginning, eh?


Okay, </RUDENESS> here.

over inflating my ego is imposable...my di...err ego was huge... long before AH

thanx my Muppet brothers