reevaluation of ENY

[tf15pin]

65' dot-dar deck  <------ reason you do not see as many 110 NOE missions anymore.

[Tank-Ace]

True wrongway, but it took away the one area CV planes could dominate. Before, the A6M was THE best turning fighter in the game; CV planes were guaranteed parity or superiority in at least ONE area. Now land bast fighters are faster, climb better, dive better, and turn better.       Not arguing the ENY, I've conceded the point, just commenting.

ENY/KTD (statistics taken from Late War Tour 138)
Ta-152: 10/1.60
190D9:  15/1.40
109K4:  20/1.29
190A5:  25/1.36

F4U-1C:  5/2.66
F4U-4:    5/2.87
Tempest: 5/7.31
Me163:    5/3.39
Me262:    5/7.06

Again, I give up on the ENY issue, but the statment "It's K/D is right up there below all the perk rides" is false.

[Karnak]

Tank-Ace,

The A6M2 still turns best, but that crown will be lost the moment the Ki-43 is added.

As to your perk plane K/D comparison, you left out the Spitfire Mk XIV.

[Tupac]

Tank-Ace,

The A6M2 still turns best, but that crown will be lost the moment the Ki-43 is added.

As to your perk plane K/D comparison, you left out the Spitfire Mk XIV.

1.13 for spit 14

[Karnak]

1.13 for spit 14

Yup.  Omitting that number killed his argument.  Of course, including that number would have killed his argument too.

[Tank-Ace]

damnit, I was hoping no one would think about the omition  .

Either way, if you average out the KTD's of the perk planes, its still significantly higher than the Ta-152 (4.07 averaged out). Statment still false, proving that the Ta-152's K/D isn't "right up there" with the perk planes'.

However I do note that there is a direct relation to increase of ENY and decrease of K/D in the unperked aircraft I cited.

[Karnak]

As the top K/D free plane it still far out performs the bottom end perk plane in K/D.

[Tank-Ace]

That particular perk plane is flown VERY poorly. I have yet to see one up high on the occasions I take the 152 up high and hunt bombers. Its usually just me and the occasional bomber formation. Not my fault if people abuse the perk plane 

[Karnak]

That particular perk plane is flown VERY poorly. I have yet to see one up high on the occasions I take the 152 up high and hunt bombers. Its usually just me and the occasional bomber formation. Not my fault if people abuse the perk plane 

I've flown it up high.  There is nothing for it to fight up there for the limited time you have.  I once even drug an La-7 up to 25,000ft before turning on him, he lasted a turn and a half before he put the nose down and abandoned his lust for killing the 60 perk point Spitfire.  I disagree about the poorly flown as it is hardly flown.  If a lot of people used it I could see that, but....

The fact is, the Spitfire Mk XIV is a poor fighter for AH.  It is very much exacerbated by the 2.0 fuel burn.

[Tank-Ace]

If flying a spit 14 on the deck like a spit 8 isn't flying it poorly, I don't know what would be.


And the La-7 is hit by the 2.0 fuel burn rate. So is the 109, the 190, the Yak, the Typhoon, and every other spitfire. Granted that the spit 14 is probably hit harder than most because of its intended use, its not like its a real slouch in preformance on the deck, so thats not an excuse for it poor K/D.

[Karnak]

The Griffon 65 in the Spit XIV guzzles fuel far faster than the Merlins in the other Spits.

You might also notice that none of those other aircraft you mentioned are perked and some specialize in low altitude work where they don't have to spend all the fuel in their drop tank just to reach their combat altitude, where they can then fly around all by themselves.


In any case, my point is that the Ta152's ENY is fine.

[Tank-Ace]

As I said, I agree. This thread has degraded into a discussion of a miriad of related topics.

[Tupac]

I've tried to get the Spit14 unperked numerous times, but to no avail.

[Tank-Ace]

Why? Reducing the perk price? OK. but UNperk it? Do you deny that it isn't perk worthy if it weren't for the fuel burn rate? Its probably one of the 3 best aircraft at altitude.

[Karnak]

Why? Reducing the perk price? OK. but UNperk it? Do you deny that it isn't perk worthy if it weren't for the fuel burn rate? Its probably one of the 3 best aircraft at altitude.

So is the Ta152 and guess what?  It got unperked even though it got used more and had a better, though still crappy for a perk plane, K/D ratio.  The P-47M and N were never perked and they are also one of the "three" best at altitude.