reevaluation of ENY

[Tank-Ace]

I feel there are some aircraft that could use a revaluation in their ENY.

Bf110G: Currently at ENY 10, but use has declined recently, in favor of planes like the P-47. Proposed ENY of 15-20

Brewster B239: Currently at 25, but since it out turns a zeke, has no handling gremlins to speak of, and holds E like nothing else, possibly an ENY of 10-15.

P-38J could be reduced from 20 to 15, since preformance is identicle to the L.

Raise ENY on the Ta-152 from 10 to 15.



Just an idea. Comments, opinions, thoughts? Go ahead, I'm in my flame bunker  .

[Lusche]

Bf110G: Currently at ENY 10, but use has declined recently, in favor of planes like the P-47.

Has it?

[Tank-Ace]

Seems like it. Whens the last time you've seen an NOE 110 horde. Last one I can remember was back in '09.

[Lusche]

Seems like it. Whens the last time you've seen an NOE 110 horde. Last one I can remember was back in '09.

Oh, so this is not based on numbers but just on perception?

[AWwrgwy]

You need to argue how the current ENY effects its use in the arena and how it's use effects the arena not how the ENY should be changed because people are or are not flying it totally unrelated to its ENY value.



wrongway

[Tank-Ace]

Lusche, show me where to find statistics on the use of 110's for attack purposes.


OK wrongway.

110: The P-47's have equivelant or higher ENY values combined with much improved survivability.  The 110 is also hard to fly in a furball, due to the "moin, moin... moin" effect it causes among the enemy. I enjoy taking the 110 out to a fight every now and then (as do some of my friends). I'd like to see more of a reward for flying a 110 into the middle of a furball, and making kills before I'm dragged down. But now its: What, I only got .8 perks for those 2 kills? Damn fights not that good, why the hell am I flying this crate?

Other aircraft that can do what the 110 does and do it better have higher ENY (20 for the P-47D40, 15 for the 38L)

Brewster: The brewster took away the advantage that carrier aircraft had: manuverability. Before, a CV could launch the most manuverable plane in the game (A6M). Now the brewster not only out turns the zeke, but out dives, out zooms, and out climbs it. Its also less prone to the fuel fires that A6M's are.

P-38J: When ENY climbs, people just go from the 38L to the 38J, and suffer no adverse affects besides the loss of 4 rockets. The D40 at least is slower than the P-47N, but the 38J is identicle in preformance to the L model.

Ta-152: Its quite average down low where most of the fights are. And the 109K4 or 190A8 are superior interceptors below 15K. The result is a relative lack of use for one of the better planes in the set, and a former perk aircraft.

[Karnak]

I doubt the Bf110's ENY has anything to do with air-to-air combat.  Unfortunately, what the Bf110 is used so much for doesn't get tracked in stats, but for that purpose it has significantly more destruction in its bombs and guns than the P-47 has in its bombs, guns and rockets.

[Tank-Ace]

P-47 can carry something around 3750lbs of ordnance (figuring a building takes 250lbs of damage to kill, and 2 HVAR's destroy 1 building). I doubt its all that much MORE, but it is easier to use SMALLER portions on individual buildings, which results in less wasted damage potential through splash damage.

[Lusche]

Lusche, show me where to find statistics on the use of 110's for attack purposes.

I can show you where the total stats for the 110 can be found. And as attack has always been the dominant way the 110 has been used (by far!), any major reduction in usage for that purpose would also change the total stats, both in quantity as well as quality (composition of "kills of" and killed by" stats).

[Karnak]

P-47 can carry something around 3750lbs of ordnance (figuring a building takes 250lbs of damage to kill, and 2 HVAR's destroy 1 building). I doubt its all that much MORE, but it is easier to use SMALLER portions on individual buildings, which results in less wasted damage potential through splash damage.

The Bf110G-2 has almost 9,000lbs of destruction in total.  Its guns MASSIVELY out perform those of the P-47.

[Tank-Ace]

I'm not sure it would result in a large change in the "killed by stats". The 110 IS pretty uselss in the anti-fighter role unless flown by an expierenced hand. Exception could be mass cap 'n vulches, and more picks or lucky kills through the sheer number of 110's being used.

Kills of, I could see. More planes in the air means more wrecks on the ground. A 110 raid isn't real likely to make it through defense by more than 1 or 2 fighters.


Anyway, point taken. I'm not great at getting the type of usage and such out of basic "kills in, kills of, killed by, died in" stats.



And Karnak, the 110's guns do almost 6600lbs of damage? If so, then why don't more people use it against hangers at Vbases and ports?

[Lusche]

And Karnak, the 110's guns do almost 6600lbs of damage? If so, then why don't more people use it against hangers at Vbases and ports?

Because it takes more time. The guns are and advantage vs a greater number of small, dispersed targets that do not need many lbs one for one. One single 110 can kill all 3 hangars on a Vbase, but takes time it will be exposed to enemy defensive fire all the time. A couple of wirbels coming out of the VH you are trying to strafe down aren't a good thing...

[MaSonZ]

Tank, ENY is based on performance (or so it seems), i have turned with "better" planes then the 110 before with the heavy gun package. albeit, it turns like a pig and is slow as molasses with those guns, what it lacks in performance it makes up for when you get a shot... 10 is good for it

[Tank-Ace]

Alright, 110 ENY is fine, and thanks for filling in the gaps in my info. any comments on the others?

[AWwrgwy]

Alright, 110 ENY is fine, and thanks for filling in the gaps in my info. any comments on the others?

Brewster has been discussed ad nausem. If people don't fight the Brew's fight, i.e. slow and turney, it is easy to beat. 0.74 K/D ratio is not that of an overwhelming performer.

P-38J. Rockets. "Bazooka" versus 5" HVAR. No dive flaps(?). The L gets used more than the J probably for the ord alone.

Ta152. Remember when it was perked? Big Tater chucker that everyone complains about when it's in the 109K plus 2 20mm cannons. It's K/D is right up there below all the perk rides.


I think the reason you are seeing fewer 110G missions is the nature of base take missions now. Where the emphasis used to be on taking down the town fast with big cannons then fighting off the defenders while troops are brought in the new goal is to kill the ability to defend altogether. Heavy Jabos to take down the entire field first, all the hangers, so there can be no defense. Then, leisurely kill the town and roll in fourty or fifty troops. After all, someone could break a nail if there was a fight.



wrongway