reevaluation of ENY

[Tank-Ace]

spit 14 out turns it at alt. Increased wingloading was not kind to the K4  .


What causes the spit 14 to turn so poorly anyway? Its not all that much heavier than the other spitfires, its wings aren't smaller.

[Karnak]

I find "perked due to performance at high altitude" arguments to be absurd in the context of the AH MA.  The P-47M or N will also dominate up there, and only 100ish Ms were built, yet it is not perked....

I am not sure why it turns so much worse, but the extra weight from the Griffon seems to have done bad things to it.  I don't think it should be as fragile as it is to maneuvers either as its wings were stronger than, say, a Spitfire Mk V or IX's.

[Tank-Ace]

IMO, it seems dale screwed up and give the spit XIV the other spitfire's wings  . I would also like to see the reversal of ailerons on spitfires above 400mph.

[Karnak]

IMO, it seems dale screwed up and give the spit XIV the other spitfire's wings  . I would also like to see the reversal of ailerons on spitfires above 400mph.

That didn't always happen and when it did it was far above 400mph.

[Tank-Ace]

What speed was it at then? and it wasn't always, but it was fairly common.

[Karnak]

What speed was it at then? and it wasn't always, but it was fairly common.

Close to 500mph as I recall.  I can't think of any of them doing it in level flight.  Thing is, as I recall, that it was airframe specific, if your Spit did it, it would do it and if it didn't, it wouldn't.  As we get "perfect" airframes in the game, it shouldn't do it.


Not to say it would affect them much.  Aileron reversal when you can't roll anyways just means you can't roll opposite anyways. 

[Ack-Ack]

P-38J: When ENY climbs, people just go from the 38L to the 38J, and suffer no adverse affects besides the loss of 4 rockets.

Less powerful rockets (bazooka rockets) and rocket mounts create drag that does effect the performance of the J.  Which is why most veteran J drivers (and G) don't carry rockets and just lug bombs instead as the bomb shackles don't effect performance.  So, a little more is lost then just 4 rockets if you want to fly the P-38J fully loaded with ordnance.

but the 38J is identicle in preformance to the L model.

Slower roll rate (lack of boosted ailerons) and lack of dive flaps are just two of the things that seperate the two performance wise.  A lot of players have troubles going from the L to the J because of the lack of boosted ailerons and vice versa.  If anything, the J should be raised a couple.


ack-ack

[Tank-Ace]

P-38J as of this post has a K/D of 1.59. In otherwords, its on top end of the K/D list, with an ENY of 20.

Ta-152 has an ENY of 10 an currently has a K/D  of 1.59.

P-38 J is fine where it is.

[Lusche]

P-38J as of this post has a K/D of 1.59. In otherwords, its on top end of the K/D list, with an ENY of 20.

Ta-152 has an ENY of 10 an currently has a K/D  of 1.59.

P-38 J is fine where it is.

You shouldn't view at K/D isolated from other factors. K/D is only a meaningful stat within context.

[Tank-Ace]

Seems to be what we're going on here. If you want to look at K/D within context, take it up with wrongway who started this K/D discussion.

[AWwrgwy]

Seems to be what we're going on here. If you want to look at K/D within context, take it up with wrongway who started this K/D discussion.

Shall I quote myself? Yes, I think I will.

109K and P-38s seem to have a dedicated group of fliers which tends to skew their results a bit.

Context.   



wrongway

[Tank-Ace]

109K eny is fine
difficult to fly well, or even decently for newish players, and the spud-gun is a real handicap for anyone without expierence.

Top tier climb, and speed, good zoom

38J eny is fine
Lack of power assisted ailerons and no dive recovery flaps. Fewer rockets and higher drag penalty.

good speed and good climb, top the the class zoom.


Considering the dedicated core of pilots both have, I think they're fine.


And wrongway, you DID start this K/D discussion by saying that "the Ta-152's ENY is right up there with the perk plane's". And this is ignoring the dedicated pilots like m00t that could skew the 152's K/D.

[Ack-Ack]

P-38J as of this post has a K/D of 1.59. In otherwords, its on top end of the K/D list, with an ENY of 20.

Ta-152 has an ENY of 10 an currently has a K/D  of 1.59.

P-38 J is fine where it is.

You'll see the kill ratio for the P-38J is skewed by a handful of dedicated P-38J drivers that garner the majority of the kills in that plane.

ack-ack

[AWwrgwy]

And wrongway, you DID start this K/D discussion by saying that "the Ta-152's ENY is right up there with the perk plane's". And this is ignoring the dedicated pilots like m00t that could skew the 152's K/D.

Are you looking at stats or just reaching?

Go to plane statistics for LW Tour 137, open the F4U-1C and Ta 152H stats side by side and sort by Kills.
They both look eerily similar.

Sorted by K/D, the CHog has more people with better ratios but also has more people with less than 1:1.

If you really want to see dedicated pilots, sort the P-38J by kills and K/D.




wrongway

[Ack-Ack]

If you really want to see dedicated pilots, sort the P-38J by kills and K/D.


wrongway

A few years back someone had requested the P-38J get a slight perk in the MW arena due it's high kill ratio in there.  I checked it out and found out that 3 players were responsible for slightly over 60% of all kills in the P-38J and less than 8% of deaths.  These players were also high kill sortie flyers, it really skewed the stats to make it seem the P-38J was unbalancing the MW arena.  These 3 players no longer regularly fly in the MW arena and the P-38J is no longer the #1 fighter in terms of total kills and kill ratio.

ack-ack