Spawn Camping

[vNUCKS]

Spawn camping creates a unique difficulty in AH for those spawning in.  In aircraft, you are afforded the opportunity to obtain SA from the tower before choosing to begin your sortie, however a GV spawning from anywhere except the tower is not afforded this opportunity.  In real life, you wouldn't find yourself magically appearing in a situation where you had no opportunity to obtain some SA.  It seems only fair to me that the spawning vehicle should have the opportunity to obtain this SA before spawning, or better yet that enemy vehicles within gun range of a spawn area have their guns disabled within range of the spawn area. 

[DEECONX]

Spawn camping creates a unique difficulty in AH for those spawning in.  In aircraft, you are afforded the opportunity to obtain SA from the tower before choosing to begin your sortie, however a GV spawning from anywhere except the tower is not afforded this opportunity.  In real life, you wouldn't find yourself magically appearing in a situation where you had no opportunity to obtain some SA.  It seems only fair to me that the spawning vehicle should have the opportunity to obtain this SA before spawning, or better yet that enemy vehicles within gun range of a spawn area have their guns disabled within range of the spawn area.  

In real life, you wouldnt be magically transported miles and miles away to where the action was.   Just be happy you dont have to drive it.

[Tec]

What he said ^.  Just drive from your base to the enemy base.  Voila, no more spawn camping.

[vNUCKS]

In "real life" you wouldn't find air bases every 30-40 miles across the landscape, but this accommodation has been made in AH for the purpose of gameplay.  The GV spawns are a similar accommodation for the sake of gameplay, to minimize excessive undue travel time to combat.  IMO though, the lack of the ability to obtain any SA of the battlefield when using them seems like a high price to pay for using them.  All I suggest is to allow the spawning vehicle the opportunity to obtain some SA before being fired upon.

[AWwrgwy]

In "real life" you wouldn't find air bases every 30-40 miles across the landscape, but this accommodation has been made in AH for the purpose of gameplay.  The GV spawns are a similar accommodation for the sake of gameplay, to minimize excessive undue travel time to combat.  IMO though, the lack of the ability to obtain any SA of the battlefield when using them seems like a high price to pay for using them.  All I suggest is to allow the spawning vehicle the opportunity to obtain some SA before being fired upon.

You already have the "delay" that allows you to turn your turret 180^o before the campers can see you.

How many times do you try and spawn in before you decide a spawn is camped?




wrongway

[vNUCKS]

You already have the "delay" that allows you to turn your turret 180^o before the campers can see you.

How many times do you try and spawn in before you decide a spawn is camped?




wrongway

And how does this in any compare to the SA available to aircraft before they choose to start their sortie?  How many times do you need to up a capped field before realizing it is capped... Exactly zero.

[Tank-Ace]

Nucks, anything that is relevant to the fighter pilots is what matters. If its not relevant then its automaticly to be despised, regardless of wether it would have a positive effect on the game or not.

Not my favorite rule of AH, but one thats there none the less.

[vNUCKS]

Nucks, anything that is relevant to the fighter pilots is what matters. If its not relevant then its automaticly to be despised, regardless of wether it would have a positive effect on the game or not.

Not my favorite rule of AH, but one thats there none the less.

My typical GV mission is in an M3 to either to resupply a base or bring troops for capture; my most common sortie is an attack one.  I suspect that the vast majority of GV vs. GV kills are the result of spawn camping, and this belief is based upon my personal experience and the experience of those that excel in GV's.  The unrealistic conditions that spawn camping creates makes GV battles seem absurd to me, and as a result I typically do not engage in them.  GV's have a lot to offer in both strategic and tactical operations, but imho the dynamics of spawn camping cause many players to avoid them.

[Tank-Ace]

I agree with you. I'm all for afermative action for GV's, but like I said, it its not relevant to fighter pilots, its not important at best, and usually degrades into a "you already have ground to drive on, what more do you need?" argument between the tankers and the flyers.

Again, not my favorite rule of the AH community, but one thats there all the same.

[vNUCKS]

I agree with you. I'm all for afermative action for GV's, but like I said, it its not relevant to fighter pilots, its not important at best, and usually degrades into a "you already have ground to drive on, what more do you need?" argument between the tankers and the flyers.

Again, not my favorite rule of the AH community, but one thats there all the same.

My point is, that the typical fighter pilot won't immerse himself into a fight without some knowledge of what he's getting himself into.  And this is what prevents him from joining the typical GV fight.

[Chugamug]

Removing the big "Camp Here" arrow might help some, of course the base would have to flash immediately when someone spawns in. Or have the arrow flash when the spawn is camped.
 

[Raphael]

hey! what is we try and see a solution another way?
please answer me (is an honest question) is the GV spawn concept here in AH a attack position towards the enemy? why not always put it then in a advantage position, yesh put the spawn in a more elevated surface and such! I mean, if the concept is a attack position im sure the General or whatever planner would decide to go to an attack from a nice SA view of the enemy territory! so advantage that it wouldnt be such a good idea to camp there but people would preffer patrol around the areas between base and spawn or city and spawn!

Please tell me if this is already on the "rules of making the MA field" on positioning spawns.

[vNUCKS]

Removing the big "Camp Here" arrow might help some, of course the base would have to flash immediately when someone spawns in. Or have the arrow flash when the spawn is camped.
 

That's a great idea, if only you're countries vehicle spawns were visible, it would greatly level the field...

[The Fugitive]

Spawn camping creates a unique difficulty in AH for those spawning in.  In aircraft, you are afforded the opportunity to obtain SA from the tower before choosing to begin your sortie, however a GV spawning from anywhere except the tower is not afforded this opportunity.  In real life, you wouldn't find yourself magically appearing in a situation where you had no opportunity to obtain some SA.  It seems only fair to me that the spawning vehicle should have the opportunity to obtain this SA before spawning, or better yet that enemy vehicles within gun range of a spawn area have their guns disabled within range of the spawn area.  

awwwwww    are the spawn campers ruining your fun?  Welcome to the club and the only way the game is to be played, after all HTC set it up that way, it must be the way it should be played, right? Just like hiding CVs and such.

[DMGOD]

awwwwww    are the spawn campers ruining your fun?  Welcome to the club and the only way the game is to be played, after all HTC set it up that way, it must be the way it should be played, right? Just like hiding CVs and such.

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