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Offline Karnak

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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2011, 07:15:32 PM »
Jeez, one aging, small, Russian carrier refitted and people think its a threat we need to be worried about?  Have you looked at our Navy lately?

FYI, India has been operating one of them for a bit now as well.
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2011, 07:30:47 PM »
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2011, 07:36:56 PM »
United States has 10+ carriers, I think the country that has second most has only 3 at best. We're safe.
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2011, 07:39:24 PM »
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2011, 07:48:18 PM »
Quote from: Pigslilspaz on August 10, 2011, 07:36:56 PM
United States has 10+ carriers, I think the country that has second most has only 3 at best. We're safe.

I had to comment on this as I was being facetious in my comment.

If it ever comes to a shooting war between the Chinese and the US and it's Allies... Their Aircraft carrier will be the last thing we worry about.

I doubt a war against the Chinese would remain conventional.
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2011, 08:22:28 PM »

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Just saw that the maiden voyage is in progress.  Sloped runway deck.

I'm guessing choppers and VTOL/STOL aircraft.  Any guesses to which seabirds the Chinese will be taking?
AWWW!! that little carrier's a cute little guy!! lol
As ive said before im no expert but... im thinkin 2 Harpoon ASM's and that things singin with davy jones! as for their new "frontline interceptor"    :rofl  Have you SEEN our Airforce Lately!
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2011, 08:45:19 PM »
First post here!  :banana:

Seriously though. I find it odd that only one of the news articles I've read about this carrier has actually reported the name she has been given by China.

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/07/19/2011071900660.html

The name is given in a short paragraph under the photo of the ship. The "Shi Lang" The name says it all...  :eek:
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2011, 08:47:44 PM »
Quote from: Babalonian on August 10, 2011, 06:08:16 PM

Top it off that they haven't finished equiping them, have no trained or experienced carrier crews (although they're likely working on that as we speak), have no trained or experienced naval aviators, and don't even have a plane yet that can operate off them.  I highly doubt it'll be a threat to our nation's current inventory of 11 CVs (not to mention the combined power of all our allies CVs), the brand spanking new ones currently being designed and developed to replace the older outdated designs, and our extremely experienced, tried and battle-hardened sailors and equipment.

What most fail to realize is the Chinese mentality vs Western mentality of doing things. The Chinese are a very patient people. This russian carrier and the two domestically built planned copies of it are not for combat operations or even patrolling...rather they are a training tool to get their pilots and engineers as well as admirals acquainted with carriers.

By 2050 you can easily expect China to be fielding at least 5 modern supercarriers and their support fleets.  
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2011, 08:53:56 PM »
Quote from: Tac on August 10, 2011, 08:47:44 PM
By 2050 you can easily expect China to be fielding at least 5 modern supercarriers and their support fleets.  

Serious question... Will "we" make it to 2050?
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« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2011, 08:57:33 PM »
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« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2011, 09:17:41 PM »
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Offline Karnak

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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2011, 10:13:38 PM »
Quote from: Tac on August 10, 2011, 08:47:44 PM
What most fail to realize is the Chinese mentality vs Western mentality of doing things. The Chinese are a very patient people. This russian carrier and the two domestically built planned copies of it are not for combat operations or even patrolling...rather they are a training tool to get their pilots and engineers as well as admirals acquainted with carriers.

By 2050 you can easily expect China to be fielding at least 5 modern supercarriers and their support fleets.  
China is going to have such massive demographic problems before 2050 that talking of them having five supercarrier groups is rather silly.  The one child policy is going to bite them in the buttocks hard.
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #27 on: August 11, 2011, 02:54:18 AM »
China is:

A: Outstripping the USA Economically and Industrially

B: The US capability for military force and economic dominance on world markets is giving way to China at what is best described an Alarming Rate (USA falling while China is rising = high closure speed)

C: The Chinese build up is yet to come, as previously stated their military is simply going through preliminary stages similar to that which took place in the USA in the 1940's and 50's. give them 10 years or so and they will begin the new generation, and with all that research, manufacturing and money behind it.... thats a big build up.

and of course

D: If it does degrade to a simple war of Attrition, the Chinese will win CONVINCINGLY.
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #28 on: August 11, 2011, 05:07:51 AM »
Quote from: F22RaptorDude on August 10, 2011, 06:04:33 PM
F22 Will wipe it off the face of the planet no doubt  :rock

F-22 is still grounded, been grounded since May.  And it's a problem with a critical system so it will be tough to just "waive" the requirement to fix it, even if we need them in a hurry.

Good thing we are still making F-15s, even if they are for other countries.  Maybe we should buy a few more for ourselves before the line shuts down for good.
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #29 on: August 11, 2011, 05:13:21 AM »
Quote from: Plawranc on August 11, 2011, 02:54:18 AM
China is:

A: Outstripping the USA Economically and Industrially

B: The US capability for military force and economic dominance on world markets is giving way to China at what is best described an Alarming Rate (USA falling while China is rising = high closure speed)

C: The Chinese build up is yet to come, as previously stated their military is simply going through preliminary stages similar to that which took place in the USA in the 1940's and 50's. give them 10 years or so and they will begin the new generation, and with all that research, manufacturing and money behind it.... thats a big build up.

and of course

D: If it does degrade to a simple war of Attrition, the Chinese will win CONVINCINGLY.

E) any war is stupid, esp with China as it does not benefit either country. Chinese don't want land, they want money. World land domination is garbage from a bygone era. Economic domination doesnt require war and is much less risky.


The question is of course, as the people of China gets richer at what point will they turn on their government? its only a matter of time (unless their government has rapid democratization).... and it only takes one bad economic situation to ignite it.
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