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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #30 on: August 11, 2011, 06:57:08 AM »
What I see in the near future is some stability in the South China Sea from a strong Chinese Naval force operating.  All the modern pirate gangs will eventually be destroyed once the Chinese navy receives a few bullets aimed at them.   
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #31 on: August 11, 2011, 06:59:31 AM »
E) any war is stupid, esp with China as it does not benefit either country. Chinese don't want land, they want money. World land domination is garbage from a bygone era. Economic domination doesnt require war and is much less risky.


The question is of course, as the people of China gets richer at what point will they turn on their government? its only a matter of time (unless their government has rapid democratization).... and it only takes one bad economic situation to ignite it.

The next global war will most likely be over resources & water not money...and you underestimate the control the Chinese govt have on their internal politics and populace.

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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #32 on: August 11, 2011, 07:02:16 AM »
The next global war will most likely be over resources & water not money...and you underestimate the control the Chinese govt have on their internal politics and populace.

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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #33 on: August 11, 2011, 07:15:03 AM »
I heard on CBC yesterday, the admiral (?) or the captain (?) or someone was talking about it. He said
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Its just kind of to say "Don't mess with me, or you're going to get hurt."

Is that really their only motivation?

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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #34 on: August 11, 2011, 10:23:18 AM »
I think I saw pics of this on the pond in NY Central Park.
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #35 on: August 11, 2011, 11:34:18 AM »
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2011, 12:13:29 PM »
"I heard on CBC yesterday, the admiral (?) or the captain (?) or someone  ..said" (somethin about bein messed with and gettin hurt)

Begs the question about who is messing with China that could get hurt by them.

And 10 years from now . . or even 40 years from now
.. if China is gonna put CV fleets together they gonna have to burn long and hard to do it.

Think a bit on what the US Armed Forces were like 40 years ago ..compared to today.

China catchin up to what the US Armed Forces are like today with 40 years of hard work means they will still be 40 years behind the curve.

What they would need to do is a revolutionary design improvement on today's hardware ..not evolutionary.
Like ..ohh .. say Anti-Gravity .. or .. Teleporters .. or mebbe a Warp Drive or Photon Torpedo.

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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2011, 02:16:42 PM »
What most fail to realize is the Chinese mentality vs Western mentality of doing things. The Chinese are a very patient people. This russian carrier and the two domestically built planned copies of it are not for combat operations or even patrolling...rather they are a training tool to get their pilots and engineers as well as admirals acquainted with carriers.

By 2050 you can easily expect China to be fielding at least 5 modern supercarriers and their support fleets.  

thats how I read it - this carrier and its sister craft are just cheap testbeds. smart move.
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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2011, 02:19:43 PM »
I wonder if the Chinese military will have females serving on the carrier?
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« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2011, 02:51:11 PM »
-Frank aka GE (just sayin ..and the US is already workin on revolutionary design improvements in far more than just one area)

I've heard rumors of the US working on VISUAL cloaking...?
Just what I've heard.

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« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2011, 03:56:09 PM »
USA has a stealth carrier program last I heard. Any word on its development?
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« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2011, 03:57:03 PM »
Don't forget the US Navy's Mothball fleet.  That alone - cobwebs, rusty hulks and all - has the potential to sink every other nation's navy twice over the last I looked at its inventory.  Yeah, they're not ready to sail tomorrow, but could be in a matter of weeks or months if we _needed_ to.
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« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2011, 04:01:00 PM »
AGM-84... Scratch one Flat top!

Waste of money, Mk-48 all the way!   :rock



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« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2011, 04:11:56 PM »
There must also be a flyable computer available for Nefarious to do FSO. So he doesn't keep talking about it for eight and a half hours on Friday night!

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Re: Chinese Aircraft Carrier
« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2011, 04:23:20 PM »

China catchin up to what the US Armed Forces are like today with 40 years of hard work means they will still be 40 years behind the curve.

Not really. Russia just handed them a working blueprint of a carrier. You can bet they are also giving them personnel to instruct them in carrier ops.

Take for example how the Chinese have caught up with the west in fighter aircraft. The latest Chinese designed and built fighter stands between the F22 and F16 generations. For them to do that in just 10 years is not something to be shy of.

I think China will use the Russian carrier for 5 years then build their first copy+improved carrier and operate it for 5 years then build their 2nd carrier being mostly self-designed but based on the russian model and use that one for 5 years. After that they will design their own from scratch using all the tech they've acquired from the west up to then (legally or otherwise) in it, build it and use it for 5 years to work out the bugs and once that is done they will have a working carrier class design they can begin to produce in numbers. [/quote]

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-Frank aka GE (just sayin ..and the US is already workin on revolutionary design improvements in far more than just one area)

True. The addition of railguns and plasma based weaponry to replace cannon/bullets in the fleet is a big step. Carrier wise though I think the best and biggest step the US can do is to start deploying Drone carriers.

Should it come to trading blows, a Drone carrier would negate China's natural advantages: manpower and manufacturing. If they use manned fighter jets while the US uses remote controlled or AI controlled drones then the US would remain in an advantageous position. A drone is much cheaper to build than a fighter jet and no american pilots would be lost vs. the loss of many chinese pilots...not to mention every US drone pilot would become steadily better while the chinese would become steadily worse.