50 cal....

[Charge]

I suspect that all rounds in AH are "AP" they just have different penetration figures and only penetration counts to total damage if the surface it hits requires it. That means tanks and A/C armour plates. That also means that all rounds "flash" when they hit even if they are AP.

I recall that from penetration point of view .50 Cal has nearly the same penetration as a 20mm AP if you calculate projectile weight and velocity (E) and divide that with the area that impacts the surface. Of course that depends on which 20mm cannon figures you use for calculations.

-C+

[SmokinLoon]

I suspect that all rounds in AH are "AP" they just have different penetration figures and only penetration counts to total damage if the surface it hits requires it. That means tanks and A/C armour plates. That also means that all rounds "flash" when they hit even if they are AP.

I recall that from penetration point of view .50 Cal has nearly the same penetration as a 20mm AP if you calculate projectile weight and velocity (E) and divide that with the area that impacts the surface. Of course that depends on which 20mm cannon figures you use for calculations.

-C+

All .30cal and .50 cal, and the 40mm from the Hurricane IID, and the 23mm/37mm from the IL-2 are AP (FMJ).  All of the 20mm are HE, the single 30mm we have in AH is HE, the 37mm from the P39 and Yak are HE.  There are 2 very different types of damages delivered.  The AP will bust right though aircraft and unless there are massed hits in 1 area then the damage will not be as evident.  A single 20mm HE can hit and cause major damage simply because the projectile will shred apart upon impact.  Vs armored targets such as the top/rear of a tank, the .50cal may have an easier time busting though and damaging the engine or destroying the tank.

There are no 20mm AP in AH.   

[RTHolmes]

...but with a P40 I can one pass kill it out right...

the P40 is an exceptionally stable gun platform, plus the .50s are like lasers. chances are you're just getting alot more of your .50 rounds on target.

[icepac]

Should a c202 be able to track a tank?

[skorpion]

Should a c202 be able to track a tank?

easily. 2 .50 cals and 2 bb guns arent as bad as you think. you could probably turret a panzer if you hit the top of it.

[gyrene81]

easily. 2 .50 cals and 2 bb guns arent as bad as you think. you could probably turret a panzer if you hit the top of it.

  only in ah...maybe. even with full steel jacketed ap the worst it should be able to do is damage the engine. maybe knock off some accessories, damage the hatch hinges, scratch the paint real good, make a lot of noise inside, but tracking and knocking out the turret? not

[SmokinLoon]

easily. 2 .50 cals and 2 bb guns arent as bad as you think. you could probably turret a panzer if you hit the top of it.

I too....         

Double check the AP ability of German 8mm and 13mm MG's.    

Then grab a P47 w/ all eight .50 cal MG's and see if you can get it done.  If anything can do it, a P47 can because it is using the best .50 cal MG in the game and it is using 8 of them at one time.

[skorpion]

  only in ah...maybe. even with full steel jacketed ap the worst it should be able to do is damage the engine. maybe knock off some accessories, damage the hatch hinges, scratch the paint real good, make a lot of noise inside, but tracking and knocking out the turret? not

only in AH will it do that...you obviously wouldnt know because you never have done it.

[Tank-Ace]

Should a c202 be able to track a tank?

You'd have to be either insanely good or have god doing you a favor and delivering a not so small mirical.

[Rino]

I said probably. You have to hit it right to kill with a 39 or Yak-T, not to say it can't be done mind you, just that its more difficult and that theres a fair chance he'll kill you before you kill him.

And Tbolt, all I meant was that most of a half-track is just empty space protected by armor. Its not like its packed full of important easily damaged machinery.

     Weird..most combat laden White halftracks I have seen were packed full of troops or supplies/ammunition.  
I imagine none of those would react well to 50 caliber    







     Given the rubber track bands and soft cargo carried aft and the engine/crew in the front, odds seem
favorable for at least a mission kill.

[gyrene81]

only in AH will it do that...you obviously wouldnt know because you never have done it.

and i suppose you have? i would love to hear all about your combat record some day, over a couple bottles of tequila.    when i get tired of smelling the b.s. i can puke on the floor and smell that instead.

i'm not dumb enough to be low and slow in a c202 wasting ammo on a tank, even in the ah world. jeep or half track maybe and only if there aren't any enemy planes around.

[skorpion]

and i suppose you have? i would love to hear all about your combat record some day, over a couple bottles of tequila.    when i get tired of smelling the b.s. i can puke on the floor and smell that instead.

i'm not dumb enough to be low and slow in a c202 wasting ammo on a tank, even in the ah world. jeep or half track maybe and only if there aren't any enemy planes around.

yes. i have tracked a tank in a c202 before. its called having fun, you should try it one time. im not sure about you, but i find it fun torturing the poor guy in the m4 by constantly shooting his treads and making him suffer with the "pingpingpingpingpingpingping" even after im 900 yds away.

[Tank-Ace]

Weird..most combat laden White halftracks I have seen were packed full of troops or supplies/ammunition.  
I imagine none of those would react well to 50 caliber  

Yeah, you'll kill troops. Yeah you'll shoot up the K-rations. Yeah you'll shoot up the cigaretts. But you won't stop the halftrack by doing that, which is what hes talking about.

[SmokinLoon]

yes. i have tracked a tank in a c202 before. its called having fun, you should try it one time. im not sure about you, but i find it fun torturing the poor guy in the m4 by constantly shooting his treads and making him suffer with the "pingpingpingpingpingpingping" even after im 900 yds away.

Respectfully, I think you are full of do-do.  Tracking a tank takes a lot of damage to a specific spot and the dual 13mm do not fire fast enough nor produce enough damage to do so.

At this point in time, I'll put money on the P47 w/ eight .50 cals being able to track a tank, but that is it.  I'm sure someone has done it in a 6 gun aircraft, but I have not.  I dont waste my ammo.  With all that being said, I have no doubt that a C202 can do enough damage to a M8, M3, SdKfz 251, Wirby, or Osy to disable it in some manner.  I know I've destroyed an M8 in a P40B before (quad .30 cals and dual .50's), I'm betting the .50 cals did most of the work. 

[skorpion]

Respectfully, I think you are full of do-do.  Tracking a tank takes a lot of damage to a specific spot and the dual 13mm do not fire fast enough nor produce enough damage to do so.

At this point in time, I'll put money on the P47 w/ eight .50 cals being able to track a tank, but that is it.  I'm sure someone has done it in a 6 gun aircraft, but I have not.  I dont waste my ammo.  With all that being said, I have no doubt that a C202 can do enough damage to a M8, M3, SdKfz 251, Wirby, or Osy to disable it in some manner.  I know I've destroyed an M8 in a P40B before (quad .30 cals and dual .50's), I'm betting the .50 cals did most of the work. 

ugh. 1800 rounds of 50/30 cals does kill tank tracks. even try it. i guarantee it will kill the treads on a m4 or a panzer.