50 cal....

[SPKmes]

Not sure if this is the place....I am wondering about the 50 cals potency....case in point straffing GV's....now I can make multiple passes on an M3..let's take this for example with the Ki61...20mm's blazing and if I'm lucky i will kill it on the second or third pass....during these passes I can't even seem to take out the pintle gun...but with a P40 I can one pass kill it out right....Now I know that the rate of fire and all that sort of thing needs to be taken into account but does this sound right?...I have gone over it and said nothing for a while now...I did make a statement on 200 some time ago when I was shocked at killing an M3 with such ease 1 pass using the P40 but other than that I just put it down to ah well that's AH for you...but last night it cropped up again as I was running around in a SKdZ (whatever it is hahah) and a 51 comes down and kills me one pass...up another and same thing...do it again same thing...so I do it again..this time I don't die but I do lose both guns...and then the following passes kill me....

 Hmmm after all that long winded crying...my question....do the 50 cals seem to pack more punch than they should...I don't really know...I do know however that there are plenty of people here who do have a good knowledge of ballistics and could properly explain to me the effectiveness of caliber vs rate of fire vs damage....

Cheers

[Rino]

     Just spitballing here, but is it possible that the API ammunition of a .50 cal might be more effective at penetrating
the rather thin armor plate of the halftrack than an exploding 20mm?

[AHTbolt]

Like Rino said a 50cal AP round will go through the armor and hit the fuel tank,engine or ammo while the 20mm explodes on contact.

[SPKmes]

ahh ok ...makes sense.... cool ....

i spose the fact I was carrying 24 spare rockets wouldn't have helped things either...not that that is coaded but I could imagine a rather big explosion if you hit those too....hahaha

[Krusty]

No, 20mm has a pierce capability as well. The cannons will almost always be easier to kill GVs with if you hit.

Was it, by any chance... a specific M3 driver who has certain connection issues and is hard to kill?

[Tank-Ace]

Like Rino said a 50cal AP round will go through the armor and hit the fuel tank,engine or ammo while the 20mm explodes on contact.

Most of a halftrack is just metal work, doesn't matter how much you chew it up if you don't hit anything important. And 20mm's are a mix of HE and AP rounds.

[SPKmes]

No none in particular. Just any old m3 or the like( not jeeps though.. You just say boo to them and they die )lvt's is another. Maybe it is just the Japanese 20's.... Although I have in the past( recent) had trouble with the 110... Had one time an Osti that was tracked and smoking(engine out) made multiple passes 30 mm also and on about the sixth pass I came from the wrong side of the tracked Osti and he shot me.... I cried big that day hahaha

[Tank-Ace]

osties are completly different from an M3. You're probably not going to kill him with anything less than an Hurricane IID.

[SPKmes]

osties are completly different from an M3. You're probably not going to kill him with anything less than an Hurricane IID.

Totally understand that....and I know I don't have the uber aim but I would have thought that with over 200 rounds mix of 30's and 20's I could have atleast turreted him 50 cals do my turret no worries. This was just another example is all.... Not really trying to start anything

[AHTbolt]

No, 20mm has a pierce capability as well. The cannons will almost always be easier to kill GVs with if you hit.

Was it, by any chance... a specific M3 driver who has certain connection issues and is hard to kill?

In some cases that's true Krusty I don't fly JP planes so I don't know what there 20mm load out is, but if its all HE then you may not get the penetration and rounds on target is a big factor. 

[AHTbolt]

Most of a halftrack is just metal work, doesn't matter how much you chew it up if you don't hit anything important. And 20mm's are a mix of HE and AP rounds.

Tank-Ace most of a haltrack is not just metal work with the exception of the running boards and fenders its all the same armor.

[skorpion]

osties are completly different from an M3. You're probably not going to kill him with anything less than an Hurricane IID.

osties die from the p39's 37mm...

[Tank-Ace]

I said probably. You have to hit it right to kill with a 39 or Yak-T, not to say it can't be done mind you, just that its more difficult and that theres a fair chance he'll kill you before you kill him.

And Tbolt, all I meant was that most of a half-track is just empty space protected by armor. Its not like its packed full of important easily damaged machinery.

[AHTbolt]

Hey its cool Tank-Ace.

[AWwrgwy]

Rate of fire?

More bullets firing = potentially more hits = more probability of damage.

I think, like me, you're just a lousy shot.   

I bet you're missing with the 20mm's more than you think and getting more hits with the .50s because there is more lead flying.

Just a guess, from personal experience.


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