50 cal....

[Tank-Ace]

Smokin, you can track him if hes holding still. And I've tracked tanks with a P-51D when I used to fly it.

[icepac]

I set that c202 thing up because I have tracked a tank with one.

Hell.....a c202 has a hard enough time downing a plane made of aluminum.........but it can track a tank?

[gyrene81]

Smokin, you can track him if hes holding still. And I've tracked tanks with a P-51D when I used to fly it.

uh, 4 to 6 .50cals vs 2 .50cal and 2 7.9mm...big difference in destructive power. the c202 should not be able to track a tank even in the ah world, for that matter none of the non-cannon equipped aircraft should be able to.

this is supposedly off a panzer iii

the .50 would have a hard time doing much more than minor damage and no amount of 7mm is going to do anything but knock the mud off. 20mm ap at the right angle could do some damage, 30-37mm ap absolutely, with a good hit.

[Tank-Ace]

Yeah, but in the AH world bullets and shells are just assigned a damage value. As long as its unarmored, you can damage it. If its armored, you can damage it as long as your bullet would penetrate the armor.

HTC doesn't model the bullets tearing apart a link in the track, they just model the track taking more and more damage untill it breaks.

[Krusty]

If you hung a stretch of track up at a firing range, unloaded 6x or 8x 50cal at it nonstop, don't you think it would eventually fail? Due to whatever weaknesses, inherrent or accidental, the more you shoot at it, the greater the chance of destroying it. What you complain about is the same as with airplane wings in-game. You may not see every last consequence of the damage, but it is there.

[Ack-Ack]

Yeah, but in the AH world bullets and shells are just assigned a damage value. As long as its unarmored, you can damage it. If its armored, you can damage it as long as your bullet would penetrate the armor.

HTC doesn't model the bullets tearing apart a link in the track, they just model the track taking more and more damage untill it breaks.

That's not how damage is modeled, there are no "hit points" for any of the vehicles, be it a plane or a tank.  Damage is not calculated that a tank or any other vehicle will receive damage until it breaks and then it's dead or disabled.

ack-ack

[gyrene81]

If you hung a stretch of track up at a firing range, unloaded 6x or 8x 50cal at it nonstop, don't you think it would eventually fail? Due to whatever weaknesses, inherrent or accidental, the more you shoot at it, the greater the chance of destroying it. What you complain about is the same as with airplane wings in-game. You may not see every last consequence of the damage, but it is there.

it's possible krusty as long as you were able to concentrate fire on a particular area and you're within 5-600 yards or less, but that's not what happens with an airplane diving in from several thousand feet up. the angle isn't optimal, the amount of ammunition on target is minimal, you have a better chance of winning the powerball.

[Tank-Ace]

That's not how damage is modeled, there are no "hit points" for any of the vehicles, be it a plane or a tank.  Damage is not calculated that a tank or any other vehicle will receive damage until it breaks and then it's dead or disabled.

ack-ack

How do they model damage for something such as tracks? Do they actually keep track of the damage each individual bullet does to the track, and have it break only when its been shot clean through or something?

And how do they decide when your wing breaks off? Do you actually have to land enough bullets on the wing spar to the point that it will break under the stress of flight?

[Karnak]

uh, 4 to 6 .50cals vs 2 .50cal and 2 7.9mm...big difference in destructive power. the c202 should not be able to track a tank even in the ah world, for that matter none of the non-cannon equipped aircraft should be able to.

this is supposedly off a panzer iii
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the .50 would have a hard time doing much more than minor damage and no amount of 7mm is going to do anything but knock the mud off. 20mm ap at the right angle could do some damage, 30-37mm ap absolutely, with a good hit.

Actually, that does look like something that a Browning .50 would tear up.  The armor penetration on the Browning .50 was 19mm, that will tear that track up.

[icepac]

uh, 4 to 6 .50cals vs 2 .50cal and 2 7.9mm...big difference in destructive power. the c202 should not be able to track a tank even in the ah world, for that matter none of the non-cannon equipped aircraft should be able to.

this is supposedly off a panzer iii
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the .50 would have a hard time doing much more than minor damage and no amount of 7mm is going to do anything but knock the mud off. 20mm ap at the right angle could do some damage, 30-37mm ap absolutely, with a good hit.

That scale in that pic is a bit misleading.............or it's not a panzer track.

Panzer tracks were 725mm wide which means they are plenty thick as well as being made of forged steel rather than most armor on tanks which is either cast or welded up and significantly weaker per it's thickness.

[Lusche]

That's not how damage is modeled, there are no "hit points" for any of the vehicles, be it a plane or a tank.  Damage is not calculated that a tank or any other vehicle will receive damage until it breaks and then it's dead or disabled.

ack-ack

I think Tank Ace was quite correct in his assessment. There are "hit points" for each component. It takes X amount of damage before it breaks, be it a wing, a tank track, or a turret.

[icepac]

Not really sure how damage is score here but I have experienced plenty of times when I manned a 37mm airfield gun and landed 130+ hits all over a tiger with at least 40 on the tracks and see him drive off whereupon he gets tracked by a p47 in one strafing run.

[Lusche]

Not really sure how damage is score here but I have experienced plenty of times when I manned a 37mm airfield gun and landed 130+ hits all over a tiger with at least 40 on the tracks and see him drive off whereupon he gets tracked by a p47 in one strafing run.

It takes about 16 true hits on the tracks to immobilize a Tiger with the manned field ack. You can test it offline.

[Tank-Ace]

It takes about 16 true hits on the tracks to immobilize a Tiger with the manned field ack. You can test it offline.

Only takes about 3 to immobilize one when I'm driving . Contrary to my name, I have just terrible luck as far as survival in a tank goes.

[Charge]

If you fire at the side on the tank there are other parts that can be damaged to immobilize the tank which all manifest in "detracked effect". By that I mean all the sidewheels and track supports. Howeverer I find it unlikely that a 50 Cal could cut the track itself on a late war medium tank. Mind you there were also flimsier tracks in lighter vehicles but even against those I doubt that .50Cal would not penetrate ie. exceed the damage threshold. Compared to track itself there are places that are easier to penetrate in a tank -as was evident in British 20mm testing against a captured Pz3.

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