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Offline Yeager

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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #120 on: September 20, 2011, 11:38:50 PM »
Very srry to hear that Sonic. 
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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #121 on: September 21, 2011, 12:16:52 AM »
It would be very interesting to see a diagram of the race course and its relationship to the populated viewing areas on and near the tarmac.

The tragic reality is an highly modified airplane departed controlled flight and impacted a densely populated viewing area. Will also be interesting to hear from the people that set up the air races and determine spectator viewing areas.  No doubt affected persons will be seeking lawful recourse in the tragedy and we will be privy to some of the details as time goes on...

The following link takes you to a page which, if you scroll down, will give you a rough diagram. Scroll farther for a second diagram. Please note the runway in front of the viewing area...That runway is the line over which no race plane may cross for the safety of the spectators, and unfortunately, there are no dimensions shown, but it is normally a safe distance. The green "Home Pylon" would be on the racers starboard side while the checkered finish tower just barely shown above the home pylon would be on the racers port side.
The Reno Air Race Association is expecting, "No doubt affected persons will be seeking lawful recourse in the tragedy and we will be privy to some of the details as time goes on..." , and the courts will give everyone who was within 5 miles of the place a big settlement...Kind of like asking for hot coffee, spilling it in your lap, then suing because there was no warning label on the cup. Welcome to America in the 21st century.

The field, now a part of the Reno Airport Authority, was originally Stead Air Force Base.
The "densely populated viewing area" was not densely populated at the time of the crash. It was a Friday after noon, so maybe about 1/4 the number of people in the entire area, inside the "controlled by ticket admission area" that would have been there on a Saturday and Sunday.
Why is it you have all this "interest" in The National Championship Air Races now?
They have been held since 1964, and I'll bet you have never seen a one. I missed the first one, and three others in '68, '69, and 70, but have been to all the others, including 2001, the year they were not allowed to take off because of the attacks of 9/11.




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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #122 on: September 21, 2011, 01:28:41 AM »
It's a miracle more weren't hurt.

Some were uninjured only a few feet from where the plane hit.

I talked to a friend who experienced a broken leg and he said there was no even attempting to move out of the way and instead watched it in fascination as it bore down on him.

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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #123 on: September 21, 2011, 11:23:47 PM »
Telemetry from Galloping Ghost shows 11g pitch-up....

http://www.flyingmag.com/news/reno-crash-update-telemetry-data-emerges
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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #124 on: September 21, 2011, 11:54:47 PM »


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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #125 on: September 22, 2011, 02:06:08 AM »
It would be very interesting to see a diagram of the race course and its relationship to the populated viewing areas on and near the tarmac.

The tragic reality is an highly modified airplane departed controlled flight and impacted a densely populated viewing area. Will also be interesting to hear from the people that set up the air races and determine spectator viewing areas.  No doubt affected persons will be seeking lawful recourse in the tragedy and we will be privy to some of the details as time goes on...


The following link takes you to a page which, if you scroll down, will give you a rough diagram. Scroll farther for a second diagram. Please note the runway in front of the viewing area...That runway is the line over which no race plane may cross for the safety of the spectators, and unfortunately, there are no dimensions shown, but it is normally a safe distance. The green "Home Pylon" would be on the racers starboard side while the checkered finish tower just barely shown above the home pylon would be on the racers port side.
The Reno Air Race Association is expecting, "No doubt affected persons will be seeking lawful recourse in the tragedy and we will be privy to some of the details as time goes on..." , and the courts will give everyone who was within 5 miles of the place a big settlement...Kind of like asking for hot coffee, spilling it in your lap, then suing because there was no warning label on the cup. Welcome to America in the 21st century.

The field, now a part of the Reno Airport Authority, was originally Stead Air Force Base.
The "densely populated viewing area" was not densely populated at the time of the crash. It was a Friday after noon, so maybe about 1/4 the number of people in the entire area, inside the "controlled by ticket admission area" that would have been there on a Saturday and Sunday.
Why is it you have all this "interest" in The National Championship Air Races now?
They have been held since 1964, and I'll bet you have never seen a one. I missed the first one, and three others in '68, '69, and 70, but have been to all the others, including 2001, the year they were not allowed to take off because of the attacks of 9/11.




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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #126 on: September 22, 2011, 05:37:32 AM »
Found this on youtube just now. Seems someone made a animated flight model of what likely happened. I wonder how accurate this is, looks pretty close to what the real vids show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBd7cXoGbAo
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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #127 on: September 22, 2011, 10:25:42 AM »
It has begun...... 

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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #128 on: September 22, 2011, 11:27:42 AM »
i;m shocked it took this long.
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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #129 on: September 23, 2011, 11:49:42 AM »
It was a week ago today that I was in Reno and witnessed this accident.. I can still vividly hear it and see it in my head and it makes me sick just thinking of it.. I wish I could get my mind off it, but it's really sticking with me even a week later..  :frown:


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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #130 on: September 23, 2011, 12:01:53 PM »
Nova it will stick with you for a long time.  In 2003 my dad and I were flying an airshow at our home base, I was 200 feet above him, and watched him crash.  I had flown the bird 2 days before that, because he had not gotten down here from San Antonio, I had no problems with it.  One year later I was in the dining facility in Mosul Iraq when it was blown up, that to this day does not bother me, with all the devastation that happened that day, I am not bothered by it, but I still have dreams and think about watching my dads SE-5 crash.  I really don't know what to tell you, it is a hard thing to get over, but you will.  Stick with it and keep your head up. 
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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #131 on: September 23, 2011, 12:22:39 PM »
It was a week ago today that I was in Reno and witnessed this accident.. I can still vividly hear it and see it in my head and it makes me sick just thinking of it.. I wish I could get my mind off it, but it's really sticking with me even a week later..  :frown:

 it's gonna stick with ya.

 20 years ago, i watched as a street racer ran from the police. i watched him clip a car, and caused a head on accident, and saw the people killed. that was 20 years ago. if i close my eyes, and think about it, i can still see those people laying there(one hanging partly out of the car). it's just something you kind of learn to live with.
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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #132 on: September 25, 2011, 09:35:14 AM »
 An interesting video on the subject.

 
I read it on the internet, so it must be true !

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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #133 on: September 25, 2011, 12:21:39 PM »
An interesting video on the subject.

 
wow.......beautiful seeing the airplanes at engine start and roll out.  Puts a proper perspective on the whole race.  And to see the point where the airplane began its loss of control and final decent was very educational for me.  I thought the loss of the  trim tab was the cause.  It looked to me like it was more of a result of the problem and not the cause.  Tail wheel was out before the trim tab was torn away.

At least the film stopped before impact.   Thanks for sharing this
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Re: P51 Mustang into the crowd at the Reno Races just now
« Reply #134 on: September 25, 2011, 12:33:09 PM »
An interesting video on the subject.

 

Utterly definitive video....
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