Turn Off The Icons For Enemy Ground Vehicles !

[icepac]

Icons for GV at 1000 would be fine if F3 was removed.

[matt]

+1

[Tilt]

Was totally hidden by trees the other day..... I had squeezed into a space between shrubbery that I could not see out of at all and on film  I was totally invisible from any external view more than a few feet off the ground. (you had to look under the tree foiliage to catch a glimpse of the M3 rear track)

Yet both an Il2 and an A20 found me. As I cant see my icon on film I can only assume they could see it in game.

For me this is where the icons fail now............

[Hap]

course you could pork ord.

[Krusty]

Was totally hidden by trees the other day..... I had squeezed into a space between shrubbery that I could not see out of at all and on film  I was totally invisible from any external view more than a few feet off the ground. (you had to look under the tree foiliage to catch a glimpse of the M3 rear track)

Yet both an Il2 and an A20 found me. As I cant see my icon on film I can only assume they could see it in game.

For me this is where the icons fail now............

Or maybe somebody spotted you from lower, sideways where they COULD see you, or a GV reported you on range, or they had seen you there the last time they died... or any other number of explanations other than "The icons are getting me killed!"...

[Shuffler]

I'm all for GVs not being bombed. To facilitate this we could set it so GVs could not attack bases or shoot planes. They could only shoot eachother. This would take away any reason to bomb them..... all would be happy.

What do yall think? 

[NOT]

Not sure if this was mentioned, I was to lazy to read the whole post  ,
GVs can see AC from 6k, AC can't see GVs til 1.5k. To make it fair, make it where GVs cant see AC icons til 1.5k, or remove from both..............




NOT

[AWwrgwy]

Icons for GV at 1000 would be fine if F3 was removed.

No F3 in a P-51, P-47, FW190F, Spit XVI, Tempest, Typhoon, N1K2.... Shall I go on?

Was totally hidden by trees the other day..... I had squeezed into a space between shrubbery that I could not see out of at all and on film  I was totally invisible from any external view more than a few feet off the ground. (you had to look under the tree foiliage to catch a glimpse of the M3 rear track)

Yet both an Il2 and an A20 found me. As I cant see my icon on film I can only assume they could see it in game.

For me this is where the icons fail now............

Icons are Line of Sight. Any bit showing will pop up an icon when that bit is in the Line of Sight of the viewer.

I have seen icons flash on and off from different viewing perspectives as I flew low over a gv battle.



wrongway

[Krusty]

I, personally, can give a testimony saying icons DO disappear under thick trees. I was in an SDK on a hotly contested airfield the knits were trying to take. I managed to get AROUND the field to the town side and parked in a thick canopy of trees outside range of the town ack that had just popped. I stayed there for well over 20 minutes waiting for the Knits to get it together and finish the town off, deack so I could roll in. Despite my time there JUST outside the border of the town, in line of sight of parts of the enemy field (close enough to worry about GVs, not close enough to worry about ack), I had swirling dogfights over my head and many quite low. It wasn't until 15 minutes they realized the town was still blinking in between knit waves and started hunting for me. 2 planes circled for over 5 minutes looking hard for me and only finally found me through one narrow angle of the trees. They made several strafing attempts. I pinged 3, got 2 kills as 2 augered trying to get me and finally had to bring out a bomber to dive bomb me. They got me, but they had no clue where I was for the longest time.

It's because I wasn't giving my position away by firing. It wasn't because of the icon.

[Babalonian]

Air to Ground/Ground to Air - No icon (and more fun + challenging IMO)
Ground to Ground Icons On - Max range 1.5k (in cojunction with the first change - it really sounds worse than it ever will be, while also giving a chance to defenders who will loose their GPS-armed friends in the sky)

My 2cents.

[Shuffler]

Air to Ground/Ground to Air - No icon (and more fun + challenging IMO)
Ground to Ground Icons On - Max range 1.5k (in cojunction with the first change - it really sounds worse than it ever will be, while also giving a chance to defenders who will loose their GPS-armed friends in the sky)

My 2cents.

Hi res I can see ground vehicles way before I get icon.

[Tilt]

I am not saying that icons are not masked by foiliage......I am suggesting its not sufficient.

I too have hidden under a bridge in a town never to be found...........

I have flown over some shubbery and an icon has briefly popped out telling me something is there. Sometimes i have difficulty finding it again because I do not quite get the right angle.

IMO I should not have been given the icon clue in the first place.

Actually its not "true" line of sight if that were the case I would only see these " near hidden" icons in  (or near) the centre of my screen.

[icepac]

No F3 in a P-51, P-47, FW190F, Spit XVI, Tempest, Typhoon, N1K2.... Shall I go on?

Use deductive reasoning to figure out that I was not referencing those planes instead of typing something so obviously stupid.

[AWwrgwy]

Use deductive reasoning to figure out that I was not referencing those planes instead of typing something so obviously stupid.

Icons are @ 1500 now. So icons are OK if you are in a fighter-bomber but not OK if you are in a bomber with F3?

Remember, keep it simple. I'm stupid.



wrongway

[icepac]

Icons are OK as of now at 1500 but I think F3 mode should be available only to the positions other than the pilot.

This keeps the heavy bombers from performing unrealistic missions because they are aided by a view that is historically innacurate.

If they want to see GV's, then they need to bank or use a different position.