Dewoitine D.520

[Wmaker]

Found a table that is Dewoitine-specific:


It doesn't devide Dewoitine losses to specific enemy types, though.

So the K/D against all enemy types is 2/1. Like with all fronts and combatants, the actual truth of course comes from comparing German losses to Dewoitine losses instead of using French claims.

[Megalodon]

Found a table that is Dewoitine-specific:
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It doesn't devide Dewoitine losses to specific enemy types, though.

So the K/D against all enemy types is 2/1. Like with all fronts and combatants, the actual truth of course comes from comparing German losses to Dewoitine losses instead of using French claims.

it was posted back a few pages also it does not include 2 other groups AC1 and AC2

this page http://ww2fighters.e-monsite.com/pages/content/dewoitine-d-520.html already posted as-well has a much better accounting.

No need for German claims

 

[Wmaker]

this page http://ww2fighters.e-monsite.com/pages/content/dewoitine-d-520.html already posted as-well has a much better accounting.

 

Those pages show Dewoitine victories, like the table I posted. Are the one's that have German units mentioned confirmed from German loss archives? It has planes listed as "probable" with units on them? And the one's without units mentioned weren't found from the records?

The question was about Dewoitine's K/D against Bf109E.

No need for German claims

I wasn't talking about "German claims" anywhere in my posts. I was talking about German loss records and French Dewoitine losses and claims.

To have an accurate picture about actual victories and losses on both sides, one needs to compare actual losses with the kill claims from the other side to get an accurate picture.

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Anyways, it's not really productive to compare the technical merits of two fighter aircraft based on a rather small sample of kills per plane against each other anyway. As far as real war goes, 109E was slightly faster and had a clearly better climb rate and higher FTH with two well working cannons instead of a single poor one like the Dewoitine. Considering how the fighter tactics evolved those days and have evolved to our days., I think it's rather clear which was the better fighter aircraft at the time.

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[JVboob]

bump it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and the westlan whirlwind or wwhat ever it is

[trigger2]

To quote Denholm from my request on this bird:

Looks like a Spitfire had some fun with a Brewster.

But yes, a definite +1!

[Megalodon]

The first Dewoitine D.520 fighter constructed for the French resistance was this machine coded '1' delivered to the 1st Groupe de Chasse 'Doret', a unit established by the 'resistance forces of the interior' (FFI) in the Toulouse region. Both the SNCASE (Dewoitine) and the Morane-Saulnier factory at Tarbes had been manufacturing D.520s for the Germans since 1943, but following the Allied landings in southern France (Provence) during August 1944, Morane Saulnier diverted construction to the newly established GC 1 of the FFI. The pictures were taken on 24 August 1944 and the pilot seen in front of the aircraft at Tarbes-Ossun is capitaine de réserve Jean Cliquet, who was previously chief pilot at Morane Saulnier. Note the cross of Lorraine on the rudder and the wing roundels.

[Karnak]

instead of a single poor one like the Dewoitine.

Did the HS404 have a poor record in the D.520?  I know that, as the Hispano Mk I, it had problems in the Spitfire Mk Ib and Spitfire Mk IIb, but that was due to the mounting not being sufficiently rigid and being mounted on its side as I understood it.  I don't recall the Whirlwind or Beaufighter having stoppage issues with their Hispano Mk Is.  I'd have expected the HS404 in the D.520 to be reliable as well due to the rigid engine mounting.

[Noir]

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The first Dewoitine D.520 fighter constructed for the French resistance was this machine coded '1' delivered to the 1st Groupe de Chasse 'Doret', a unit established by the 'resistance forces of the interior' (FFI) in the Toulouse region. Both the SNCASE (Dewoitine) and the Morane-Saulnier factory at Tarbes had been manufacturing D.520s for the Germans since 1943, but following the Allied landings in southern France (Provence) during August 1944, Morane Saulnier diverted construction to the newly established GC 1 of the FFI. The pictures were taken on 24 August 1944 and the pilot seen in front of the aircraft at Tarbes-Ossun is capitaine de réserve Jean Cliquet, who was previously chief pilot at Morane Saulnier. Note the cross of Lorraine on the rudder and the wing roundels.

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drool 

[Wmaker]

Did the HS404 have a poor record in the D.520?

My comment was based on the Finnish experiences with the HS404 in the Morane MS406.

The cannon didn't really like being used. It got worn out very quickly and it was found that the explosive shells were "too fast" ie. they exploded too early with slightest contact and this basically meant that the round exploded before entering the target. I recall a test where it was fired into large paper sheet target, the round exploded. Also it normally jammed after 5-10 rounds, though this was at least partly due to the poor pneumatic system of the MS406. The cannons were replaced first with Soviet 12.7mm Berezins and as that didn't work, with .50cals.

[Karnak]

My comment was based on the Finnish experiences with the HS404 in the Morane MS406.

The cannon didn't really like being used. It got worn out very quickly and it was found that the explosive shells were "too fast" ie. they exploded too early with slightest contact and this basically meant that the round exploded before entering the target. I recall a test where it was fired into large paper sheet target, the round exploded. Also it normally jammed after 5-10 rounds jammed, though this was at least partly due to the poor pneumatic system of the MS406. The cannons were replaced first with Soviet 12.7mm Berezins and as that didn't work, with .50cals.

Huh.  Well, maybe the Brits fixed those issues.

[Megalodon]

drool 

Mee too.


 TB posted these already in this thread, this just gives the info.

I believe there were 6 of these free french planes. 3 have been posted

 

[Greebo]

Other than the mounting problems in the Spitfire there were other issues with the early Hispanos the RAF received. An extensive revamp of the gun led to the Mk II which had better materials for things like the recoil springs and a resized chamber to allow the firing pin to strike more firmly. The Mk II was a reliable gun generally, although poor gun heating in the Spitfire could cause it to jam at high altitude due to ice forming on the breech. US built Hispanos were produced to the original French specs and were less reliable as a result.

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[TwinBoom]

sexy was just wondering about this thread