That's Right... Just pass the Cheese over...

[Tyrannis]

No other place can go as fast, carry as much ord, go as far, maneuver as well, or is as versatile at all altitudes as the P51D.  Forget the stats, I can make stats say anything I want them to say as well.  

Doesnt the p47N carry more ords than the P51D, along with faster top speed at alt than the pony?

[swareiam]

The La7 is handicapped by short legs and no worth while ordnance, yet the triple none mounted 20mm, very high speeds, great turning capability, and possibly the best acceleration in the game vaults it to a 5 ENY, imo.

The Me262, Spit 16, and P51D all need to have their ENY lowered to below 5 (the B29 is lonely at 2ENY), imo.  The La7 deserves a 5.  My opinions of course.    

I'm not sure how the P-51D made it into the conversation. The Mustang should stay the same, ENY of 5 with no perk. Not really the focus of the topic. Place the La-7 at an ENY of 5 and a small perk to fly, is good for the game. Unperk the Spitfire XIV, its record shows that you load up, wheels up and blew up. There is nothing to substantiate its perkability.

[Karnak]

Well, I will agree with you on Soviet logistics at the end of WWII. That did have a barring on its historical significance and level of success overall. But, with 5000 some odd models built and in service, we still need to keep in mind that Russian aces, even at the end of the war, chose American planes to score in. When we're talking history versus playability of the game in the MA. The La-7 is a super plane, Uber-Uber even. There is almost no better plane to defend a base. In the right hands with 25% fuel and fifteen minutes or so, a CV operation to take a base can be thwarted. Its not perked and its not fair as compared to the majority of carrier based aircraft available.

"Perk it!"

Erm, the top Russian ace flew the La-5 and then the La-7.

[swareiam]

Erm, the top Russian ace flew the La-5 and then the La-7.

Ivan Kozhedub?

The hero of the Soviet Union and Airacobra Killer extraordinaire.

[Tupac]

Unperk the Spit 14, leave the LA as it is.

[Jabberwock]

[SNIP]
The La-7s short service record was clearly due to its unreliable engine and other general unservicability. Yet, it is one of the most powerful planes in the game.

[SNIP]
Plane Name      Kills        Deaths     Kill/Death Ratio
F4U-4             521       183        2.83
Tempest          454       74         6.05

Keeping in mind the units above made a more substantial contibution to winning the war for the allies, which the La-7 did not. How is the Spitfire XIV doing this month;

[SNIP]

I'd not say that the Spitifre XIV, Tempest or F4U-4 made a greater contribution to the war effort. In fact, quite the reverse.

Combat debuts;

Spitfire XIV: January 1944
Tempest V: April 1944
La-7: September 1944
F4U-4: March 1945

Aerial kill claims for the Tempest V were around 250-260 aircraft (not including V1s). I've not had time to tot up all the Mk XIV claims, but as there were never more than 150 in service before 1944 and the RAF only claimed about 750 fighter kills in 1945, I'd not be too surprised if it was similarly low. I've not got F4U-4 kills specifically, but total USN F4U claims (-1 and -4) for 1945 were 1008 aircraft.

La-7 kill claims are a little harder to track down, but claims against the Japanese alone were around 280 aircraft, which would make it a more prolific fighter than the Tempest Mk V, at the very least.

[coombz]

Spit14 should not be perked

likewise for LA7

[Tyrannis]

Spit14 should not be perked

likewise for LA7

unperk the spit14.
Perk the 16.
  

[Masherbrum]

Karnak,

Look it up yourself my friend. It doesn't matter the armament arrangement. Historical example, the final months of the war as the Russians began to close out against the Japanese. There were 313 La-7s made available for the campaign. The engineering of the aircraft was so bad, that by the time they were stage for the first battles there were only 65 or so available to begin the campaign. Plan a major campaign on those numbers...

The End of the War Campaign was but a tiny fraction of the almost 5,000 La-7's built during WWII....

[swareiam]

The End of the War Campaign was but a tiny fraction of the almost 5,000 La-7's built during WWII....

This was just an example of the La-7s high average unavailability. Historically, such a super fighter should have been more effective in it's role. From the beginning to the end of it operational service life it had high unserviceability numbers. In other words 5000 planes was more like 3000 or less operationally. If you can't fix it. You can't fly it.

[SmokinLoon]

Doesnt the p47N carry more ords than the P51D, along with faster top speed at alt than the pony?

Think total capability.  The P47N can carry more ord, has more firepower, and can match the range of the P51, sure.  But it is slower, climbs much slower, turns worse, rolls worse, is horrible at slow speeds.  The point is that the P51D can carry almost 3000lbs in ordnance, go as fast, and be as maneuverable as it is, etc etc.

[Lusche]

FYI:

[Ack-Ack]

Ivan Kozhedub?

The hero of the Soviet Union and Airacobra Killer extraordinaire.

There were far more Soviet aces flying Soviet built planes than Soviet aces flying Lend Lease planes.  I don't know where you're getting your World War II aviation information but where ever you're getting it, I would suggest looking for better, more factually accurate sources.

ack-ack

[SmokinLoon]

FYI:

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LOOSCHY!  I knew you'd be along with a handy dandy chart of some sort.    

[perdue3]

Spit14 isnt easy to fly, that is why its K/D is low. To 109 dweebs the Spit14 is a scary bird if a god stick is in it, but an easy kill if an average stick is in it.