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Offline Debrody

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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #165 on: October 22, 2011, 10:38:14 AM »
My little book says the Meteor accounted for 48 aircraft shot down, all through ground attack or 'vulch'. And 14 V-1s.
well, at least they can be historically accurate about its usage. not counting the v1s of course.
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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #166 on: October 22, 2011, 11:53:20 AM »
I vote for Zeppelins!



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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #167 on: October 22, 2011, 01:49:56 PM »
Debrody,

I don't see your objections to the Ta152 being in the game.  Why not?  It was even less significant than the Meteor.
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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #168 on: October 22, 2011, 02:28:25 PM »
Uh oh. This should be good. Sources and explanation please.
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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #169 on: October 22, 2011, 02:31:02 PM »
Uh oh. This should be good. Sources and explanation please.
No time for sources.

Explanation.  The destruction of 46 or 48 aircraft and an unknown number of German/German allied personnel,  on the ground and the stopping of 19 V1s was more significant and affected more people than a small (single digit) number of kills.
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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #170 on: October 22, 2011, 02:34:49 PM »
Victors' spoils bias
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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #171 on: October 22, 2011, 02:39:34 PM »
Debrody,

I don't see your objections to the Ta152 being in the game.  Why not?  It was even less significant than the Meteor.
Have you ever seen me flying a 152?
That plane at least seen "flying" enemy aircraft, and seen action other than vulch. What about the p47M then? Or f4u4? The 152 was operational way before the f4u4.

"History is written by the victors"  even the virtual history.
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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #172 on: October 22, 2011, 02:39:51 PM »
The Germans used the 152's to cap 262 bases,to keep them from getting vulched on landing and take off!The Germans were always building something for one purpose,and then using it in another role.

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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #173 on: October 22, 2011, 02:52:56 PM »
The 152 airfield cover story is mostly myth IIRC.
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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #174 on: October 22, 2011, 03:34:20 PM »
The 152 airfield cover story is mostly myth IIRC.

+1

Yes, they built a 190 variant with larger wings for High altitude performance to use it on the deck over airfields.

Notice the D-9 with red and white stripes along the bottom so friendly field ack can identify it?

While I don't doubt 152s engaged enemy aircraft at low altitude I vary much doubt someone said, "The 262s are returning, scramble the 152s".





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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #175 on: October 22, 2011, 03:36:12 PM »
hmm...the Meteor isn't even in the game yet, and probably won't be any time soon, but the usual babies are already crying about it... :cry

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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #176 on: October 22, 2011, 04:33:22 PM »
hmm...the Meteor isn't even in the game yet, and probably won't be any time soon, but the usual babies are already crying about it... :cry


For me, it is more about avoiding another waste of developement efforts a la the B29.

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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #177 on: October 22, 2011, 04:37:15 PM »
Have you ever seen me flying a 152?
That plane at least seen "flying" enemy aircraft, and seen action other than vulch. What about the p47M then? Or f4u4? The 152 was operational way before the f4u4.

"History is written by the victors"  even the virtual history.
You know, there was this little war with Japan going on about that time.  Maybe you've heard of it?  Maybe you're also aware that Germany had surrendered some months before Japan followed suit?

In other words, claiming that the Ta152's earlier service date means jack toejam is disingenuous in the extreme.


I voted for the Me410, not the Meteor, but try to have a little honesty in your arguments.
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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #178 on: October 22, 2011, 04:59:18 PM »
Karnak Germany was in the toilet by then.  If the 152 came as late as it did it wasn't because it was some uber wonder.  There is at least a little bit of adjustment to be made in that respect.  Just like the Meteor or any other plane can't be faulted for not having anything left to shoot at despite being fielded at squadron+ strength relatively long before the end.
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Re: Question for HTC: New Fighter Poll
« Reply #179 on: October 22, 2011, 05:02:59 PM »
For me, it is more about avoiding another waste of developement efforts a la the B29.

The ludicrously high perk price and lack of viable strategic targets has doomed her from seeing any use in the late war arena. Who in this game wants to waste 2-3 hours of doing practically nothing of value and avoiding all excitement? it's beyond me.

Give us a B-29 with a very limited bomb load and no perk price and I'm sure you'll see them flying around the skies of aces high in "gun-ship mode", à la Dantoo style. Flying into a full red sector, under 10K, manning the turrets and fending off fighters is a bloody good rush which trumps flying around doing jack all.

A perk ordnance system may well be the answer.
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