Should A20 loose it's F3 mode

[wil3ur]

I thought the issue was people using f3 to level bomb low alt in solid nose buffs like the A20 and 25H?

No, it's people complaining about their shots getting spoiled and a bomber getting on their 6 that happens to have 6 forward 50's in the nose.  The only way someone could have possibly done it was because they are in F3 mode, and not possibly a bad angle, a poorly thought out attack, or the prowess of the pilot in the A20.  If the A20 gets moved to the fighter hangar THAT will kill the plane, not the loss of F3 itself.  What it won't do is solve the 'problem' of buff pilots being too good, and it'll merely push people into the B26 or B25 when hangars go down.

Can you imagine the complaining if they added the A26?

TEH BOMBERZ IS FASTUR THAN MY PONIEZ!!!!  HAX!!!!

[Jappa52]

No aircraft should have F3 mode available.

[Karnak]

Can you imagine the complaining if they added the A26?

TEH BOMBERZ IS FASTUR THAN MY PONIEZ!!!!  HAX!!!!

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355 is faster than the Pony?

Sorry, no.  The guys expecting the A-26 to be a great and easy fighter will be horribly disappointed.  The guys expecting an excellent attack aircraft that can, flown with great skill, play with fighters will be happy.

[TheRhino]

No aircraft should have F3. Full stop.

 

[Beefcake]

No aircraft should have F3. Full stop.

 

Give me full crew functionality such as con reports and auto gunners and then we'll talk.

[Krusty]

Warbirds spots enemy cons for you, right? Shouldn't AH be able to code some similar "virtual eyes" client-side, so that you get intercom text in your buffer... "P-51 low 4 oclock" "F4u high 12 oclock" etc? Just make a predetermined distance, make a predetermined visual angle, and if the plane enters that virtual "cone of view" it prints out the text for you?

[Slade]

Shouldn't AH be able to code some similar "virtual eyes"

Nice idea! 

A simple AI generated check 6 will do.  Does not have to be perfect because neither were spotters.  Perhaps some light rules would be: if a con is 1k out or less and on an intercept trajectory give a check 6.

Of course the score obsessed and\or those that fly bombers in a "gamey" way will have none of this.

[Karnak]

Nice idea! 

A simple AI generated check 6 will do.  Does not have to be perfect because neither were spotters.  Perhaps some light rules would be: if a con is 1k out or less and on an intercept trajectory give a check 6.

Of course the score obsessed and\or those that fly bombers in a "gamey" way will have none of this.

At 1k out and closing the AI may as well not bother because by the time you locate the bogey he'll already be killing your bombers.

[Slade]

At 1k out and closing the AI may as well not bother

I take it that your post was incomplete because you did not give your opinion on what range would work.  Please go on how such an option might be made to work (range etc.).

Thanks for your thoughts. 

[Jappa52]

Warbirds spots enemy cons for you, right? Shouldn't AH be able to code some similar "virtual eyes" client-side, so that you get intercom text in your buffer... "P-51 low 4 oclock" "F4u high 12 oclock" etc? Just make a predetermined distance, make a predetermined visual angle, and if the plane enters that virtual "cone of view" it prints out the text for you?

That is an excellent idea!

[Krusty]

As an after-thought, instead of just the notice, it could give the position doing the reporting, so there's no confusion jumping to different gunner positions.

#3: P-51 low 4 oclock


And also no reporting what you are already looking at. If there's a plane dead 12 oclock and you're in the pilot seat it wouldn't spam you with what you can see for yourself.

I'm sure there are plenty of ways to refine this idea. I don't know if it's the best idea, but it simply is for consideration.

[mechanic]

so incredibly complicated just to remove a simple view option.

[Krusty]

Too overly simple. Much like icons, F3 serves a purpose. You can't remove F3 without supplementing some other feature that does what F3 does.

That is: It gives you the benefit of multiple eyes all scanning the skies in different directions on planes with multiple crew and gunner positions.

[coombz]

Too overly simple. Much like icons, F3 serves a purpose. You can't remove F3 without supplementing some other feature that does what F3 does.

That is: It gives you the benefit of multiple eyes all scanning the skies in different directions on planes with multiple crew and gunner positions.

why make a big convoluted change at all to something that isn't actually a problem? there is no game breaking issue here

[Krusty]

That is the debate. Apparently there is a game-breaking issue here, if the game is broken to the point that Il2s were being used (quite successfully) as base defenders and mixing it up with far more capable aircraft and coming out the victor because of F3.


So, considering the giant uproar for and against both sides of this issue, its ramifications for other planes, etc, I would say that's pretty darned game-breaking. Not as in the game won't run, but as in how people play the game and how they are voicing their opinions.