The fabric ailerons on the Spitfire Mk I, Mk II and early Mk Vs significantly reduced roll rates, particularly as speed increased. The metal aileroned Spitfires match the NACA roll rate chart. The clipped wings on the Spit XVI would have a slight effect on turning, as they do in AH, but the heavy Griffon on the Mk XIV would have much more. Compare the Mk XVI to the Mk VIII, they both use Merlin 66s, but burn some fuel from the Mk VIII first as it has more tankage.
30ft away? You are grossly overestimating the explosive power of these rounds. You can damage yourself with your own cannon rounds, but the range is, correctly, much shorter than 30ft.Realistic engine damage would be much harder to model than the gamey suggestion you made. An R2800 could be tougher, but it could just die upon being shot as well.
Why would Spitfires be particularly bad at it?
Cool stuff on the Spits ailerons. What I mean by splash damage, I don't mean round strikes, I mean the aircraft itself exploding. There actually is a bit, a small bit, of splash in guns like the 37mm. I landed one if a typh D5 from me and knocked out my own engine once.
It's all about the wing surface when dealing with negative G's. Airplanes like the 109 could perform this maneuver much better because of the smaller wing surface, compared to the spit, similarly, it's also why the spitfire can turn better than the 109. Either way, there's still an excess in these maneuver's, to a point where in life you would seriously be risking your own life attempting something so intense for an extended period of time. By extended, I mean up to a good 5-10 seconds, from what I see sometimes.
The spitfire 16 in real life was intended for high alt. The way it is in this game is more like the spit9 should be, as an all around turn fighter. RAF pilots said so, after the spit5, the spit9 reigned supreme for the remainder of the war. The spit8 was designed for low alt, the 16 for high and and the 9 as the standard fighter. If any of them should be like the spit16 is, it should be the spit9 or some late war variation of it. I've suggested this before, adding a fourth load out option to choose your powerplant. There were MANY versions of the spit9 as well as planes like the 109g-6. For scenario, snapshot and overall gameplay quality, wouldn't this be fun? Variants in aircraft that may adjust the eny.
This isn't a realistic game, no matter which way you cut it. You don't believe me? Try doing some of this stuff in Il-2, a much more detailed and well researched game. They too have some over modeled stuff, but at least it's more accurate in accordance to what the historians and pilots said. I was shocked once when a ww2 airplane tv show(history channel) said that the 190 completely outperformed the p47 in every aspect but in the roll, which prompted all the research. Their 30mm doesn't drop after a short distance, for example and is not nearly as slow.
And I'm not saying that you can't push your nose over in life, you can, it's the sudden intensity of it and the prolonged endurance. We are all flying with pilots that have extreme endurance, which is fine for the sake of the game and playability(not everybody has 100 hours a month to play and 'level up' your pilot), but I think at a certain point you begin to bleed from your ears and nose, as the blood is rushing to your brain.
This is quoted from wikipedia(they surprisingly have very little information about this): A redout occurs when the body experiences a negative g-force sufficient to cause a blood flow from the lower parts of the body to the head. It is the inverse effect of a greyout or brownout, where blood flows away from the head to the lower parts of the body. Redouts are potentially dangerous and can cause retinal damage and hemorrhagic stroke.
If anything, there should be a serious risk of wounding or killing your pilot, particularly if the move is intense and prolonged.
And as for the person who told me to make my own flight model, you're not even worth quoting. I'm a paying customer. I have been for over two years now. This is a discussion board, isn't it? Particularly, this is the wishlist part of it. Not the troll list. Thanks for your brilliant input however, much appreciated.
Oh, and FLotsom, your move was fine - I wasn't trying to attack you personally, you did what you could. My point is you shouldn't be allowed to get away with something like that with your pilot unharmed or alive. Haha. But you were in a 109, as silly as it was, it's still not nearly as silly as a spitfire doing it.
Machfly, I wasn't suggesting the smaller wing surface helps you pull more G's, I'm saying that the effects on the pilot are much less because of the lesser wing surface.
