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coyote

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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2000, 06:43:00 PM »
 
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wow roadrunner...what a speech...I think I need to say nothing more about you...you say all just by yourselve...dont you?...


RAM out


I sure do, A MAN, is not affraid to speak his mind and take the heat for it. You on the other hand have nothing valid to say about my argument so you make up crap like the above. LOL

And for you "pongo" , I see you have posted again without figuring out or reading through my original post....



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Offline JimBear

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« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2000, 06:45:00 PM »
.squelch coyote

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« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2000, 06:46:00 PM »
 
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.squelch coyote

That was brave...

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« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2000, 06:53:00 PM »
Gentlemen,
As a pi** poor fighter pilot, I couldn't begin to count the number of times I have tried to ditch. I die most of the time trying. I stopped hitting the silk when I was shot down in my chute so many times. Hey, I paid my $30.00 if I want to try to ditch, I will. This is a game, surely no ones bravery or lack thereof should come into question.
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« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2000, 06:56:00 PM »
Ditching scoring is a legit part of the game.  Its not a bug.  Since it isn't counted as a kill, people -- especially those concerned with score -- will ditch.  That doesn't make them the cowardly son of a diseased tavern wench.  

Coyote, if you have a problem with the way ditching is scored, that is fine.  Stick to that issue and don't blame the players for trying to maximize their score under HTC's present formula.  Attacking players for doing so is only alienating people that otherwise might agree with you.

As much as I hate to do it, I agree with Fatty's suggestion .   I'd also like to see the location of a ditch (i.e. within friendly, neutral or enemy territory) determine how it is scored.

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« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2000, 07:03:00 PM »
he roadrunner...you're soooooo brave man...I guess you'll be awarned the medal for bravery...when I grow up I want to be like you!!!!!! you're my hero...LOL

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« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2000, 07:07:00 PM »
BTW about the "crap above", do you even know anything called "sarcasm"...well maybe not...I think you missed your school days learning to be sooooo brave

BTW you still didnt say nothing about that turn away when I started to leak smoke...maybe you were afraid by my guns???...mmm...sad sad because you lose your kill because that...brave man, brave man...


nite,kid

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« Reply #22 on: February 20, 2000, 07:08:00 PM »
 
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he roadrunner...you're soooooo brave man...I guess you'll be awarned the medal for bravery...when I grow up I want to be like you!!!!!! you're my hero...LOL

RAM out


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« Reply #23 on: February 20, 2000, 07:12:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by RAM:
BTW about the "crap above", do you even know anything called "sarcasm"...well maybe not...I think you missed your school days learning to be sooooo brave

BTW you still didnt say nothing about that turn away when I started to leak smoke...maybe you were afraid by my guns???...mmm...sad sad because you lose your kill because that...brave man, brave man...


nite,kid

RAM,out

Ram, I won't even respond to that pack of lies. You are obviously trying to get this message thread closed. I won't respond to any more of your taunts. You lose (again)



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« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2000, 07:17:00 PM »
I usually resist jumpin in to threads like this one, but couldn't this time.  Coyote, to quote you, "IN REAL LIFE HE WOULD HAVE BEEN DEAD, MOST OF US FLY SIMS LIKE THIS FOR REALISM."  Yup, and ask yourself this.  If your plane were disabled (in real life) and there was a way for you to land without dying, would you not do it?  Of course you would.  And in real life, there were pilots who did this very thing, and not all were captured, thanks to the valiant efforts of various underground organizations.  Is the ditch model unrealistic as it currently exists?  You bet.  But as in the "reality" you so loudly and rudely stand up for, a pilot takes advantage of any means available to SURVIVE. (I don't mean alt/f4, etc.) I bail often when shot down, but if I think I have a chance to land and ditch, I'll do it.  Not out of cowardice, but as an added sense of realism (there's that term again) in that piloting a disabled plane to a survivable landing takes some skill and luck, even with the current ditch/terrain model, and just adds to the adrenaline rush that is Aces High.  My best advice would be to lighten up, and before you start spouting "realism, realism, realism.." you need to realize that your criticisms are not based on a need for realism, but on a need for kills on a scoreboard.  This type of childish name calling, whining, complaining, etc. appears to be worse since going pay, for reasons unknown.  If you shoot him down, feel the satisfaction of outmaneuvering your adversary and removing him from action.  You know you won, he knows you won, and that is all that matters.  Your tirade on the radio just shows a great deal of immaturity, and is more suited to one of the first-person-shooter games, which are not in any way based in reality (which I also play a great deal of.)
Don't whine, just fly.  If he goes down and out of action, move to the next target and forget about him.  Simple concept really...

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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2000, 07:19:00 PM »
I think everyone knows me enough to know who to believe....I never avoided a <S> when someone won me in a good fight. So if you say Im lying...well I wont lose more time answering you. The truth is out there.

And I lose a fight in a sim. You seem to have won a fight and losen your nerve. take it easy.

RAM,out

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« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2000, 07:24:00 PM »
Thanks for actually responding to the points I made. Your points are valid, but they do not invalidate my points. The circumstances of a "ditch" vary. In 90% of them, I think it is fair to say the aircraft involved is LOST. Certainly in MY CASE it would have been and the Pilot would have been cannon fodder. It is hard to find and Good fight in this game, not a gang bang, then you find one and someone pulls crap like this... it just kinda ruins things...

Thanks again for responding the the context of this thread.



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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2000, 07:50:00 PM »
I'll just make a few observations about what coyote said (dont take this as a personal attack coyote - its not)


"He is out of the fight??? ? ? how so? does he have to walk for two hours back to base!?!? He laughs(like a coward) and "clicks" on "fly""

Interesting, so you when you end up on the deck miles from your base, being a man of your word, would never type '.ef' and then just click fly - you'd walk back right? Come on...

Secondly, you were mentioning things that would happen in real life as a basis for your argument. Consider this:
If a real pilot had lost an engine it would be more cowardly to bail than to ditch, ditching in real life is very dangerous. So it seems to me that when you call him a coward for ditching your more worried about your score not what is really courageous. I agree that ditching in AH aint that dangerous but bailing is still safer. Bring on trees that tear off wings and hills that crush planes.

So, just for the record, you've never ditched?

I ditch plenty - check my score. I aint a coward, nor is anyone that does.

Also, in real life ditches weren't counted as confirmed kills where they? How could they have been? So, again, when your so concerned with 'real life' then you wont get a kill.

PS, if anyone flying a F4u-C and you can't destroy a plane (having the E advantage) with those mega-weapons stuck on the front of it then your opponent deserves to live  

food for thought.

...flame away (i wont even look)




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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2000, 07:51:00 PM »
Coyote,

Perhaps all we really need is....love?
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I survive roughly 25-35% of my ditches and I kill ditchers without mercy.  As far as counting ditches, If a guy goes down in friendly territory than no kill credit should be awarded but if the ditcher goes down in enemy territory than the fella causing the most damage should get a kill credited to his account  

Lastly, I make the call for a kinder, gentler Coyote....lol   xoxox

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« Reply #29 on: February 20, 2000, 08:21:00 PM »
Coyote Sayeth:

 
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No, more like 99 times out of 100 you will succeed in ditching.

Not in a 1 vs 1 fight where one loses an engine. The other plane kills the downed fighter most of the time, ditch or no ditch.

Coyote, I have been in nearly the same situation with you as RAM was. I was in an La5 and engine ran dry (very short legs in La). I took a chance on a ditch, and made it because you did what RAM described; you pulled up and lost me a second. By the time you looked down again I was gone. And yes, you went on the open and harrassed me too. No biggie here, I squelched you.  

You seem to be very high-strung; I've yet to kill you and not see "BS" come across the radio. You're a good pilot, but I get kills too.  

Forget about the scorecard for a while and fly, you may have more fun. Above all, stop the personal remarks, please!