Collision Model

[AWwrgwy]

The new problem I see cropping up in the myriad of explanations that may be confusing is "you need to avoid the collision."

Sometimes you can't. IE: sitting on the runway.

However:

Very simply.

Plane coming down at an angle. He pulls up at the last second just flying over top of you. Your computer does not see the pull up until slightly later and renders the plane flying threw you. Your computer detects the collision and applies damage to you.

HiTech

covers this situation.


Ever see what appears to be a plane fling under ground and popping back up? Do you understand that?




wrongway

[Scca]

The new problem I see cropping up in the myriad of explanations that may be confusing is "you need to avoid the collision."

Sometimes you can't. IE: sitting on the runway.

However:
covers this situation.


Ever see what appears to be a plane fling under ground and popping back up? Do you understand that?


wrongway

Sadly, this is the problem with any MMPG via the Internet. You have to have predictive modeling so when there are dropped packets, there is some resolution of where a moving object might be if the information doesn't arrive.

The Internet is the limiting factor that can't be avoided.

[Skuzzy]

yup, so if i have a slow computer and internet i would most certainly not be able to avoid the collision sitting on runway...i prob need to learn new fast reflexes now... ESC then end sortie.. have to do it under a sec

The speed of a connection, nor the speed of the computer has nothing to do with it.  'Lag' in this context is simply due to the distance/time involved with getting one packet from one location to another.  The speed of the last mile (your connection) is all but irrelevant in the overall path.

Collisions are 'what you see is what you get'.  It cannot be any more simpler than that.  It is what your computer detects.  Nothing else matters.  To do anything else would remove control of 'collisions' from your computer and give it to someone else.

Sadly, this is the problem with any MMPG via the Internet. You have to have predictive modeling so when there are dropped packets, there is some resolution of where a moving object might be if the information doesn't arrive.

The Internet is the limiting factor that can't be avoided.

Actually when you see a plane flying underground it is due to the offset of where you computer sees it and where it actually is on the computer of the player flying that plane.  The pilot flying that plane does not go underground on his/her computer, but the time differential between your computer and his/her computer puts his/her plane in a different location on your computer, and it could be underground.

[FLS]

yup, so if i have a slow computer and internet i would most certainly not be able to avoid the collision sitting on runway...i prob need to learn new fast reflexes now... ESC then end sortie.. have to do it under a sec

This is completely wrong. The slower connection is just as likely to avoid the collision as the faster connection. Lag just means you don't see the same aircraft positions, it does not determine who benefits from it.

Most complaints about the collision model involve some degree of misunderstanding.  

[Scca]

Collisions are 'what you see is what you get'.  It cannot be any more simpler than that.  It is what your computer detects.  Nothing else matters.  To do anything else would remove control of 'collisions' from your computer and give it to someone else.

I like how it works and suspect most do (even without doing a poll) also as long as they understand how it works.

Actually when you see a plane flying underground it is due to the offset of where you computer sees it and where it actually is on the computer of the player flying that plane.  The pilot flying that plane does not go underground on his/her computer, but the time differential between your computer and his/her computer puts his/her plane in a different location on your computer, and it could be underground.

That's kind of what was in my head, but not stated well...   

[des506]

The speed of a connection, nor the speed of the computer has nothing to do with it.  'Lag' in this context is simply due to the distance/time involved with getting one packet from one location to another.  The speed of the last mile (your connection) is all but irrelevant in the overall path.

Collisions are 'what you see is what you get'.  It cannot be any more simpler than that.  It is what your computer detects.  Nothing else matters.  To do anything else would remove control of 'collisions' from your computer and give it to someone else.

so what i see is a a plane colliding into me and only i get the msg sitting stationary on runway, very simple indeed.

[kvuo75]

so what i see is a a plane colliding into me and only i get the msg sitting stationary on runway, very simple indeed.

yes, very simple.

after all the explanations in this thread, you still don't understand that from his perspective, he never hit you???

[des506]

yes, very simple.

after all the explanations in this thread, you still don't understand that from his perspective, he never hit you???

of cos i understand but from my perspective he did hit me stationary and only i got msg... i understand doesn't mean i have to be happy with it..

[kvuo75]

of cos i understand it... doesn't mean i have to happy with it..

I forget, what was your solution then?

[des506]

I forget, what was your solution then?

 both planes get the damage

[kvuo75]

both planes get the damage

thats right.. so the guy who pulled up a hundred feet above you sitting on the runway, flew over you.. should take damage too.. you don't see how much sense that doesn't make?

[des506]

thats right.. so the guy who pulled up a hundred feet above you sitting on the runway, flew over you.. should take damage too.. you don't see how much sense that doesn't make?

it wasn't at 100 feet...if he was at 100 feet... he wouldn't have hit me..

[Lusche]

Summa sumarum:
Des is complaining about getting killed by a collision that he did see on his screen and is asking to change it so that he get's killed by collisions that aren't even happening on his screen at all. The policy of the bigger evil, so to say.

I think we can simply stop arguing at this point.

[ImADot]

How can this thread not be locked yet? Des506 doesn't like the collision model, but cannot come up with a better solution - because there really isn't one. You don't have to like it, but it is the way it is. It's pointless to continue arguing, but please do...it's entertaining.

[Skuzzy]

it wasn't at 100 feet...if he was at 100 feet... he wouldn't have hit me..

On HIS computer he completely missed you.

So, lets reverse the pilots.  You are the one flying and the other guy is on the runway.  You pull up at the last second and avoid him, but on his computer, due to the distance/time element, he sees you hit him and so he dies.  Well now, out of the blue, after you have passed him, you explode.

Your next venture to the bulletin board will be to yell about how you avoided the collision and yet died anyway.  Would that be a fair statement?

Right now you have absolute control over whether or not you collide with someone.  Using your solution, you give control to another player and take it away from you.  There is no way you will convince anyone you would be happy with that.