My only wish...

[EVZ]

ahhh good, another comparing the GAME to WAR. - This however is a game, a game that is suppose to be fun.

Yes it's a game ... it's a SIMULATION ... If it's not a WAR SIMULATION ??? What is it? REALISM is the BASIS of simulation. Personally, I think realistic simulations are MORE fun.

Yes in WAR there were HO's, but in most cases it was a last resort, because you could really die from it. Personally in real life had I been a pilot in a fight I would have done everything possible to NOT get in front of his guns,

Sorry, no. Real Life Pilots OBEYED ORDERS and flew in groups with a command structure ... tactics depended on the situation, possible advantages, and mission tasking. ie: In WWII 109 pilots tasked to disrupt fighter cover did not dither around seeking position. Head on attacks were a favored tactic against escorts. They pentrated the fighter screen and forced the escorts to break formation ... The HO was also often dictated by the positional dynamics of attacking an approaching enemy. Yes ... some of them died ... but they didn't WHINE about it. 

Again - To sum it up, most of the complaints I see are from people who don't like the realism and want things changed to make it EASIER on them. 
 

[The Fugitive]

Yes it's a game ... it's a SIMULATION ... If it's not a WAR SIMULATION ??? What is it? REALISM is the BASIS of simulation. Personally, I think realistic simulations are MORE fun.
Sorry, no. Real Life Pilots OBEYED ORDERS and flew in groups with a command structure ... tactics depended on the situation, possible advantages, and mission tasking. ie: In WWII 109 pilots tasked to disrupt fighter cover did not dither around seeking position. Head on attacks were a favored tactic against escorts. They pentrated the fighter screen and forced the escorts to break formation ... The HO was also often dictated by the positional dynamics of attacking an approaching enemy. Yes ... some of them died ... but they didn't WHINE about it. 

Again - To sum it up, most of the complaints I see are from people who don't like the realism and want things changed to make it EASIER on them. 
 

It's a flight simulator, not a WAR simulator. Its a war GAME using WWI and WWII style equipment. There is almost nothing in this game that compares to "realism". Flight models are tweak to compensate for the lack of that "seat of the pants" feel, views are adjust to compensate for lack of true 3D.

Yes they were given orders, and personally when I returned from my mission I'd tell my commanders that we went HO, but both missed. Again, real life and this game doesn't compare.

As I posted above....

If you play monopoly with the same 4 people every night and the other three go out of their way to take you out first, how many nights are you going to come back?

It is a good tactic to take out the "strongest player" is it not? So if you were considered the strongest player night after night how long would you return to play?

[olds442]

its not are fault that your country men wont up like 10 planes to defend a base...

10 people can hold of a 30 person horde ive seen it done. me and my squad had 4 ppl on and we pushed back the bishops and took 5 of there bases thats a horde? just because u cant up for the fear of your K/D going down dose not mean the game sucks, grow up.

[skorpion]

its not are fault that your country men wont up like 10 planes to defend a base...

10 people can hold of a 30 person horde ive seen it done. me and my squad had 4 ppl on and we pushed back the bishops and took 5 of there bases thats a horde? just because u cant up for the fear of your K/D going down dose not mean the game sucks, grow up.

its not the fear of that, its the fact that once the horde comes in you cant defend because they vulch every plane that comes out of the hangar within 10 seconds.


Not to mention hordes hit the completely undefended bases while the rest of the fight's somewhere else far away from that one base.

[Seanaldinho]

its not the fear of that, its the fact that once the horde comes in you cant defend because they vulch every plane that comes out of the hangar within 10 seconds.


Not to mention hordes hit the completely undefended bases while the rest of the fight's somewhere else far away from that one base.

If you look at the radar guess what you can see an enormous dar bar. Last night at base A221 we saw the bar we had 10-15 defenders up with most of them getting 3-5k before the 30-40 ponies showed up. We held them off up until they managed to take out the VH and FH's and if they hadnt of had a GV spawn into the base they wouldnt have gotten it. So no its not always undefended bases and it isnt always away from the rest of the action.

[The Fugitive]

its not are fault that your country men wont up like 10 planes to defend a base...

10 people can hold of a 30 person horde ive seen it done. me and my squad had 4 ppl on and we pushed back the bishops and took 5 of there bases thats a horde? just because u cant up for the fear of your K/D going down dose not mean the game sucks, grow up.

I love it when a 12 year old tells me how to play the game 

If you look at the radar guess what you can see an enormous dar bar. Last night at base A221 we saw the bar we had 10-15 defenders up with most of them getting 3-5k before the 30-40 ponies showed up. We held them off up until they managed to take out the VH and FH's and if they hadnt of had a GV spawn into the base they wouldnt have gotten it. So no its not always undefended bases and it isnt always away from the rest of the action.

YES you can see the horde coming...unless the cowards need to hide their numbers with an NOE. The point is the is no fight in a horde .

The horde comes in and ignores the defenders until all VH,FHs, and BHs are down.This portion of the attack is NOT a fight. They only fight buildings and the defenders are only picking the less skilled dweebs.

In the next part of the attack they will go after what defenders that got up, and are still up. This is NOT a fight. It is now a gang bang with the attackers still having a very good numbers advantage and so the attack the defenders any where from 3-1, up to 10-1 depending how many got up in the first place.

In the next part of the attack they cap. This is NOT a fight. The attackers don't even bother going out to intercept in-coming fighters most of the time as they are hoping for the vulch due to the hap-hazard way the hangers were taken down.

The final part of the attack is when the troops are dropped from a number of goons and the capture takes place. This is NOT a fight. Once the capture is complete those attackers still left in the air quickly land to join in with the "way to goes!" everyone receives for another mission well run. Also landing quickly means they are not attacked by the in-coming defenders who have arrived too late due to having flown from another base.

Being in the horde for a "newer" player is being a part of something bigger. An accomplishment that they have no way of doing on their own because they haven't learned anything but dive bombing in a horde and running from any enemy. The simplicity and repetitive nature of running in the horde, to me anyway creates mega boredom. These are the people who most likely will excel in a piece-work type job.

I enjoy a challenge, but fighting 5-1 odds every fight gets pretty disheartening. Instead of being boring, it becomes frustrating.  I know 12 year old hide in the horde because..... oh wait, I bet it's because it gets frustrating being shot down all the time! So your idea of fun then is to hide in a horde and maybe be lucky enough to pick so poor defenedr while he is fighting 4 other guys. When you guys get your training wheels off, let me know what you think of the horde then. 

[mechanic]

I love it when a 12 year old tells me how to play the game 

I feel the same way about you telling us how to play the game

[The Fugitive]

I feel the same way about you telling us how to play the game

I've NEVER told anyone how to play the game. I'm wishing for rules and structure to bring back all those elements of the game that are no longer used. We know the players can't bring them back on their own (most don't know they are available). I'm also FOR leaving all the lame game play in the game, you just don't get any points/perks for it. You want to play "dive bombing lancs" go for it.

I believe that hordes are bad for the game, much like I believed the NOE mission had gotten way out of control. HTC changed the radar and brought the NOEs back in line because the players couldn't do it them selves. Should HTC see in the future that people are leaving due to the stagnation of the game, and the frustration caused by horde I'm sure we will see changes again.

[Karnak]

Your "rules and structure", particularly given how heavy handed they are, equate to you telling us how to play the game.

[The Fugitive]

Your "rules and structure", particularly given how heavy handed they are, equate to you telling us how to play the game.

No, ALL options are still available, but if you want points/perks ( which nobody really cares about....ask anyone!) you will have to work for them. If you want to play roll the base with 30 friends, go ahead. You still get your base, you still get your "WTG's from your "friends" you just don't get any points/perks.

Are you saying then that points and perks may actually be important and could be used to guide game play?

Another example, hockey years ago was a game of "clutch and grab". Any thing short of actually holding some one was ok and play, as it was continued. One of the main reason they let it go on was they thought all the stops in play would slow to game and break the momentum of the game up too much. The league later decided that they were paying big money to their "stars" but were not getting to see them shine as they usually had 1 or 2 players hanging off of their backs. SO they decided to crack down on the "clutching and grabbing" and call the penalties and not worry about all the stoppage in play. It didn't take long for the players to adjust and scoring went up. Defense became better players instead of big hulks standing in the line of shots. The game is faster, more exciting and makes far more money than it did allowing room for expansion into new areas that have started to follow hockey.

The point of my wish isn't so much to "take away" from the game, but to "add" more to it, thus making it more appealing to a wider audience. It would bring the skill level up as well as any compete levels.

[skorpion]

i just started up another account, whats the problem? so far, ive only had problems with hordes.

[Karnak]

You're method is to take away.  Try it by adding to the game instead.

As a matter of fact, I have been working on an idea to encourage certain things that I will be posting soonish, it may not be exactly what you want, but in this case I'll be suggesting using a carrot as a motivator rather than arbitrarily taking existing things out.

[Tank-Ace]

problem is 'adding' doesn't usually change how things work unless they change what the path of least resistance is.

[EVZ]

It's a flight simulator, not a WAR simulator. Its a war GAME using WWI and WWII style equipment. There is almost nothing in this game that compares to "realism".

A Flight Simulator, using WWII planes and equipment, in which players Bomb, Straff, Take and Hold Terrirory, etc. In which ACTUAL Paint Schemes and unit insignia are painstakingly duplicated ... But it's "NOT A WAR SIMULATOR?" I'm pretty sure that by NOW you have seen the message displayed when a map is rolled announcing who won the -WAR- ... Your statement is so obviously absurd it need no argument to demonstrat it's flaws.

While the main arena's are NOT historical scenarios, they do reasonably SIMULATE the same Operations and Goals that drove the REAL WAR to completion ... Like any Good GAME they allow the player to express his creativity, individualism, and ability. The greater the REALISM the more complete the players immersion in the Virtual World of the game ... arbitrary limitations on the style of play chosen by pilots KILLS immersion and forces the players to THINK about RULES rather than enjoying the EXPERIENCE.

As I understand it you can create your own custom arena and enforce any rules you want to about behavior there ... Why don't you TRY that and see just how people RESPOND to your "limitations" ?

[mechanic]

Like any Good GAME they allow the player to express his creativity, individualism, and ability.

This is exactly how I feel, well said that man. An excellent quote to remember about what this game is all about.