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[mthrockmor]

I am pretty sure there are a few examples of CVs engaged in direct fire with enemy ships. I don't remember the name of the ships involved but I believe 1940 or 1941 a German heavy cruiser or battle cruisers sank a British CV. Also, Battle of Leyte Gulf when one of the Japanese battleship squadrons ran into Taffy 1 and Taffy 2, small US CVs used as CAS for the invasion force, escorted by destroyers and destroyer-escorts.

This is just two examples of CVs engaged in direct fights. May be others.

Boo

[guncrasher]

I don't know what the F*#K you just said kid, but you touched my heart.

well old grumpy man since it's x-mas i"ll explain it to you in words you can understand:

the german's had no fricking cv's.  and even if they had one and could had gotten it into pearl harbor, every single guy there with any kind of weapon would be shooting at the airplanes/people on the cv deck.  it would be a turkey shoot.  no airplane would have taken off, not one.  even little kids with slingshots would be getting kills with those slowly taking off airplanes.



now layoff the eggnog old man and stop being grumpy.


semp

[bustr]

Since the ack is AI driven we are in the realm of fantasy anyway.

So change the maximum range for spawing LVT and limit the CV force to traveling close to shore say 18-20k yards. Don't allow the AI to notice incoming aircraft until they are 6k(Icon Range) out, then throw up the auto ack curtin from heck. No one turns CV from bombers until they are inside of Icon range anyway. Didn't task forces in the pacific throw out ack curtains from wave tops up to about 20k when enemy aircraft could be seen by the gunners?

Is the auto ack range of influnce tied to the radar circle on CV up to about 30k topped out?

[Melvin]

well old grumpy man since it's x-mas i"ll explain it to you in words you can understand:

the german's had no fricking cv's.  and even if they had one and could had gotten it into pearl harbor, every single guy there with any kind of weapon would be shooting at the airplanes/people on the cv deck.  it would be a turkey shoot.  no airplane would have taken off, not one.  even little kids with slingshots would be getting kills with those slowly taking off airplanes.



now layoff the eggnog old man and stop being grumpy.


semp

So wait... you're saying that a kid could take down an aircraft with a slingshot if the Germans had sailed their fleet into Pearl Harbor during the invasion?



I'm gonna need way more egg nog to wrap my brain around this nugget of wisdom.

[JUGgler]

well old grumpy man since it's x-mas i"ll explain it to you in words you can understand:

the german's had no fricking cv's.  and even if they had one and could had gotten it into pearl harbor, every single guy there with any kind of weapon would be shooting at the airplanes/people on the cv deck.  it would be a turkey shoot.  no airplane would have taken off, not one.  even little kids with slingshots would be getting kills with those slowly taking off airplanes.



now layoff the eggnog old man and stop being grumpy.


semp

Umm Semp, trying to make some sense out of melvin I believe is beneath even you  


He is clearly in his own world of (weird)




JUGgler

[waystin2]

Umm Semp, trying to make some sense out of melvin I believe is beneath even you  


He is clearly in his own world of (weird)


JUGgler

Once again I concur with Juggler.   

[Raptor05121]

I don't remember the name of the ships involved but I believe 1940 or 1941 a German heavy cruiser or battle cruisers sank a British CV.

That was the Prinz Eugen and the Bismarck sank the Hood. Bismark died shortly after that, and the Prinz Eugen survived the war, only to be used as a testbed for the Bikini Atoll Atomic tests in the Pacific. She resides in 40 feet of water, capsized, on a tiny atoll 60 miles from the same spot she was bombed.

[wil3ur]

The US used 5" at the Battle of the Little Big Horn to suppress a counter attack by Kaiser Permenente's forces, ultimately leading to the signing of the magna carta.

[MAINER]

Face it, making a Task Group stop shooting to suit your play style is just as gamey as driving it near shore. Get in a B-25 and go sink it if you don't like it.

Agreed!

[Melvin]

Agreed!

But... but... it's just so weird to think that there might be merit in using CV gunnery in the offensive roll.

I mean really, it's a known fact that no Navy's Command would endorse bringing naval power in close to shore for the purpose of direct fire actions.

Nope. Never.

They wouldn't dare disturb the furball, as described in article VI of the Geneva Convention.



Now I pose this question to you Gents:

If we had the ability to separate our cruisers and destroyers from the task group, would you object to them being parked close to shore, and providing direct fire support to a landing?

[guncrasher]

The US used 5" at the Battle of the Little Big Horn to suppress a counter attack by Kaiser Permenente's forces, ultimately leading to the signing of the magna carta.

not the magna carta, it's was the treaty of versace.  you guys are morons i swear.


semp

[mthrockmor]

No, I think it incolced the Scharnhorst and a couple cruisers. Caught a Brit CV delivering Spits and/or Hurris to Malta, I believe. I'll look it up.

I do agree that a Task Force should be able to split off the CV and let the cruiser and destroyer go hunting. IMd also like to see resupply convoys with LSTs. And with an LST on the beach you could spawn any and all armor.

Boo

[Melvin]

I do agree that a Task Force should be able to split off the CV and let the cruiser and destroyer go hunting. IMd also like to see resupply convoys with LSTs. And with an LST on the beach you could spawn any and all armor.

Boo

Yes, yes, I like all of that too.

My question though is: What if we could split the CV and escorts and the CV was left way out to sea, yet the escorts were still brought right up to the beach.

Would anybody still have a problem with that being "gamey" and historically inaccurate?

[guncrasher]

Yes, yes, I like all of that too.

My question though is: What if we could split the CV and escorts and the CV was left way out to sea, yet the escorts were still brought right up to the beach.

Would anybody still have a problem with that being "gamey" and historically inaccurate?

who would defend the fleet?  it is easy as hell to sink the cv.  now you want the fleet split up so it can be vulched while you can go park the escorts right next to runway?


semp

[BravoT]

No, I think it incolced the Scharnhorst and a couple cruisers. Caught a Brit CV delivering Spits and/or Hurris to Malta, I believe. I'll look it up.

I do agree that a Task Force should be able to split off the CV and let the cruiser and destroyer go hunting. IMd also like to see resupply convoys with LSTs. And with an LST on the beach you could spawn any and all armor.

Boo

Scharnhorst and Gneisenau caught HMS Glorious in the North Sea in 1940 and sank her with shellfire.