Engine Out Landings

[icepac]

what exactly is the big deal about landing wheels up with your aircraft that it bothers you so much?  I hardly land wheels down as it is faster for me to land and take off again specially over a capped field.

and for the record, you guys have a 0% chance of ah implementing this wish.  as it is really a non-issue.

semp

If you can't fly with realism, you have no leg to stand arguing realism in the game.

This includes flight, gunnery, and damage modeling.

[colmbo]

what exactly is the big deal about landing wheels up with your aircraft that it bothers you so much?  I hardly land wheels down as it is faster for me to land and take off again specially over a capped field.

The difference 'tween a gamer and a simmer IMO.  I like the challenge of flying as I would in real life to the extent possible within a desktop computer sim.  Landing gear up is pretty gamey, not to my liking.

[guncrasher]

If you can't fly with realism, you have no leg to stand arguing realism in the game.

you seem to forget this is just a game.  not realism.  or do you think all pilots learn to fly a real airplane with 10 minutes worth of instruction

This includes flight, gunnery, and damage modeling.

what exactly does landing have to do with flight gunnery or damage modeling?

you may want to think you are flying with realism, but you are just bs'ing yourself.  this is only a game

semp

[MarineUS]

I'm with USAF - TUG! 

[EVZ]

you may want to think you are flying with realism, but you are just bs'ing yourself.  this is only a game

No it's not ONLY a GAME ... It's a SIMULATION. WHY do you think HT -ONLY ALLOWS- real skins on these planes? Why do you think details are modeled down to bomb release latchs?

Not every one is you ... and what THEY want is just as important as what you want ... SIMULATION = realistic ... not REAL. People who enjoy simulations (simmers is a good handle) want IMMERSION ... not reality ... They want it to be believable ... leave 2012 for a bit and return to 1942-3-4-or 5 ... The GAME provides a structure and SIMULATES a conflict that is CLOSE ENOUGH to the real thing to let us fool ourselves for a little bit. Many Simmers aren't REALLY interested in the competitive aspects beyond the IMMERSION in the ENVIRONMENT that they enable. Now MAYBE that IS BSING ... and MAYBE some people enjoy a bit of that ... OK?

This GAME -IS- a simulation ... I don't think that's an arguable point. If YOU enjoy the competition and want to play it YOUR way ... GREAT! NO PROBLEM ... But don't expect HT to degrade the SIM experience to facilitate your point of view ... HT has worked very hard to achieve the level of immersion that is possible in this game.

[icepac]

you may want to think you are flying with realism, but you are just bs'ing yourself.  this is only a game

semp

You can't be bothered to fly with the realism but you demand realism from your "game"?

[EVZ]

You can't be bothered to fly with the realism but you demand realism from your "game"?

Let's keep in mind that this tread wasn't about Realism vs Gamey ... It was about someone  NOT wanting to loose their perk points when they failed to make a Successfull Landing. In SOME airforces under SOME circumstances that might have gotten you shot (comrade). In some airforces, under some circumstances it might have gotten you a medal (if your name rhymed with Boreing). There isn't anyway I can envision that HT can model that.

You can argue all day about where the line is drawn ... there is no solution that is going to make everybody happy ... HT has DRAWN THAT LINE ... I think everybody needs to BE REALISTIC (!) and RESPECT that ... ? Don't you?

[Wiley]

You can't be bothered to fly with the realism but you demand realism from your "game"?

The two aren't mutually exclusive.  For example, I'm not a fan of modeling engine management.  Sorry, I just don't find it fun.  I am, however, a huge fan of a more detailed damage model and would love to see things like turbulence, updrafts, and crosswinds added, as I feel that adds a lot of fun to the game.

Guys landing wheels up on a perfectly fine plane doesn't bother me when I see it in game if it's done on the concrete, but for some reason the thought of it being the same if they just aim in the general direction of the airfield and skid it in anywhere bugs me a bit.  *shrug*

As to the boundaries they've chosen for good landing vs bad landing, I'm fine with the status quo.  It's fairly reasonable, everybody knows where it is.  I have my preference for where I'd ideally like it to be, but it sure isn't a gamebreaker for me.

Wiley.

[chipr]

Can we draw the imaginary line on the perimeter of the base?

chipr

[MarineUS]

TUG DAMN IT! >.<

It's a fix for all of it.


You roll off, ask for a tug. I say it should only be an option if you land wheels down and all of your engines are out.

[chipr]

I also wish that when I lowered my landing gear to surrender they wouldn't just shoot me down.  Inhumane sonsabishes.

Some planes can turn better when the gear is down. I understand where you are coming from, what gets me is when gears are down and your landing that they try to make another run at you. But heck, its war.

chipr

[chipr]

Getting a "ditch" for going off the concrete is simply a game play choice.  The main arena is set up for a game, it's not set up to simulate WW2.

I got this game all wrong, then.

[chipr]

This was credited as a ditch.

Gear down with one wheel on grass 50 feet from the hanger.

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This was credited as a landing.

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The plane in the first picture will simply be loaded and fly again only minutes later regardless of the fact that it was credited as if you had ditched 200 miles from friendly territory.

The plane in the second picture will likely never fly again and it is rewarded by the game.

The arena population adjusts and flies even less realistic when some simple changes would net more realism and stop rewarding lazy pilots who can't be bothered to even lower gear to land.

Ouch, my eyes are straining. is that a 262?

[chipr]

you may want to think you are flying with realism, but you are just bs'ing yourself.  this is only a game

semp

So what you are saying is that the plane acm's are not accurate, neither is the weight, drag, dimensions, etc. is all exaggerated? And the skins in the game are all made up from imagination and movie films? Then I guess theres no difference between .50 cals and the 20 mm cannons then either. Come on, Semp


Chipr

[RTHolmes]

Some planes can turn better when the gear is down.