TO thoese who say aces high as bad graphics.

[33Vortex]

You guys don't even realise you are WoP's Marketing Strategy. There are a few AH players who have been in their Alpha and more signing up for their beta. They have had their own people playing AH and reading this board to understand how to get you guys to throw HTC under the bus.

Lobbying... aka propaganda, lies and deception but it could also involve truth and just information. However, all dirty tricks are played and the target is our minds. It is all about how the target percieve the information they are recieving. In this case, it would be percieved as coming from just another community member, a customer just like you.

[33Vortex]

...a specific kind of unhappy usefull fool. He then is emboldened to infect others with his unhappienss by the virtue of looky, looky, guys. Shiney, shiney, things that go boom and flashy flashy everywhere you see.....  theirs is OUR DREAM COME TRUE.

Welcome to Marketing 101........works good don't it??

Spot on... works in politics too and it doesn't stop there!

[Dead Man Flying]

Also in the years of broadband, 4.7Gb DVD's, 1Tb HDD's, the client download size is irrelevant. I'd download a 10Gb Aces high client with a big smile on my face.

I highly doubt that client size is irrelevant to HTC.

[Midway]

I highly doubt that client size is irrelevant to HTC.

Likely true, but I would gladly download a 100gig file if it improves my overall AH experience.

  FPH Leviathn

[JOACH1M]

What I don't understand is why HTC wont make the graphics clip board with boxes to check for people who have pc's that can run graphics like the other sims out there. 

[TequilaChaser]

Just because a game can use a lot of performance doesn't mean it has good graphics.  Sure I can turn shadows all the way up and get 10fps but it doesn't really make the game have good graphics.

+1, and these shadows are just a hinder when thaey make the gunsights unreadable

ok so both of you are now throwing World of Planes under the bus????  I do not understand either of y'alls  replys  quoting me........

I was refering to both Wings of Prey and World of Planes regarding how it will choke a person's system down if they try to max out the detail

I am an alpha tester for World of Planes,......  my take on it is if you like game play like Wings Of Prey, then you will  / or you might like World of Planes

if you like Aces High's  melee Arena, or as bustr put it, fantasy land  with 3 sides fighting each other 24 / 7 , then you will rather play Aces high...

every mmo flight sim, since Air Warrior has always worked toward offering the ability of having more people online fighting at the same time........ wwiionline even promised a server with 1,000 people online, I remember that like it was yesterday........ not many have been able to do that and stay consistent with it......... ( I am talking about any flight sim capable of hosting 300 to 600 or more players on a continous uninterupted basis )

The main thing is, people will go play what interests them the most....... that is all there is to it.........

Aces High is one type of genre about WWII aerial , Sea and Land combat  while   WOPl  or WOPr  or WB3  or IL2(whatver expansion pack) are completely different types of genre about WWII Aerial Combat or Aerial and land Combat, or like Aces High has all 3 Air Sea and Land........ ( well  WB3 is probably the closest to Aces High outof all the rest....... )

some of these flight sims have ok to decent flight models, some of them seem more arcadish......... some of them just plain outright suck.........

I am not going to say Aces High is better than any of them, nor will I say any of the others is better than Aces High......... no one can do that, because it is not an Apples to Apples comparison, it is like trying to compare Apples to Oranges......

and for christ's sake....... read what people write or reply  in these threads..... how many other sims completely redesign their flight model / graphics -game engine every few years?  Aces high has done it around 3 times........ people keep posting that Ace High is using a dated game engine, and do not even know what they are talking about.....

I also agree with bustr,  these other flight sim developer/companys are doing exactly as he posted regarding his reply # 71   in this thread........


TC

[Chilli]

What I don't understand is why HTC wont make the graphics clip board with boxes to check for people who have pc's that can run graphics like the other sims out there. 

Some like myself and possibly the OP would say that they already do.  In any case, the grass will always be greener on the other side of the fence. 

If you recall, or read on their about page, HTC has always intended to stay a small intimate company.  With that in mind, they still pipeline the improvements to their game.  We may still be playing with 3 or 4 generations of graphics models, yet none of them lack the physics component that has set AH2 apart from other WW2 sims (a pony handles characteristic to it's historical specs and not like a spitfire or a 109 or a corsair).  While the relatively small staff and 3D modelers and skinners are banging out new metal and upgrading old metal, new art and graphics goodies are being developed side by side.

I have to say that as a matter of taste, I prefer the detailed terrain of AH2 to the cartoonish terrain of other "next generation" sims that it has been compared to.  I most definitely enjoy the entire experience (multiple arenas, special events, community interaction, historical model accuracy, flight physics) and am somewhat blinded by it, to even notice anything other than what I should be doing next, to keep my cartoon pilot alive and end another's career.

Joachim, I fear that there is no slider that could be added to influence someone's personal opinion.  Sure there might be a sharp angle here or there, that pierces the vail of reality that we are actually looking at a flatscreen.  But if their would ever be a game to capture AH2's audience, it would need to do a lot more than look prettier.  Also, just because a function has a slider, doesn't mean that was a simple task, either to create the button or make it functional.  Let's not even go into the work gone into creating a "separate" world designed just for those few enthusiasts who believe they have a system to handle the eye candy. 

I bet that a good portion of the bug complaints in the next version, will be folks complaining that they loose fps while flying with all the eye candy on.   Here's a clue for those of you, turn the ground clutter off in flight, unless you are crop dusting, or strafing pollen clusters.

[Shuffler]

whatever you say bustr, AH still looks bad even compared to the older IL2 Sturmkovik series, so saying that WoP will look better than Aces High is a safe bet, even with Photoshopped screenshots.

AH2 engine is showing his age, also on the terrains topic, isn't it the custom textures that make the terrain files grow in size? I have trouble believing that more precise 3D coordinates would increase the terrain sizes beyond the acceptable.

HTC could start by reviewing/making more MA maps that use the refinements offered by the AH2 engine, not reprocessed boring and bad looking AH1 maps. It's been years and years we're waiting now.

Also in the years of broadband, 4.7Gb DVD's, 1Tb HDD's, the client download size is irrelevant. I'd download a 10Gb Aces high client with a big smile on my face.

You obviously have not read this thread.

[Shuffler]

Likely true, but I would gladly download a 100gig file if it improves my overall AH experience.

  FPH Leviathn

Question is.. would you pay to download a file that size?

There is cost involved on Ah side.

[Midway]

Question is.. would you pay to download a file that size?

There is cost involved on Ah side.

Sure, or if the cost is too high to download, I'll gladly purchase the CD. 

[bustr]

Studies on word of mouth PR by customers to potential new customers show the following as a consistant generalisation:

Every customer with a bad product experience will within 48 hours tell at a minimum 10 people the product sucks.

Every customer with a good product experience will tell maybe 10 people about it within 3 weeks or never.

You can see how subtile negative PR has a broader faster effect than positve PR in the Internet age. There are about 2% of the customer base who are never satisfied with most products or services. One might beleive their real satisfaction is in finding what dissatisfies them. They can be very engaging, authoritive, and convincing while communicating their dissatisfaction. Satisfaction with a service or product for the average consumer is sistered to doubt in ones choice. Look at the way automobile advertisments are structured. Choice is always a risk, and that risk's sister doubt is where the 2% do their damage.

Make the dissatisfied present their case in a full data supported format. Othere wise they are presenting you a false advertisemnt to part ways with your product. Then gaining the side benifit of enjoying your emotional discomfort while spitting in the manufactuer's eye in his own show room. Consider the disaffected's personal agenda more so than their issue with the product. (Flollow the Money so to say.) Why if they are so unhappy with this product do they continue to spend so much time at the showroom telling any customer who will listen how bad it is? Both you and the dissafected are aware that the manufactuer is a few feet away listening to the whole conversation.

The manufacturer cannot afford to say anything, becasue then you the customer having been primed by the disaffected's sales pitch will assume the manufacturer has something to hide. Why then as the customer are you entrusting your happiness into the hands of a person who dosen't care about you or your investment? But, wants to use you to spite the manufacturer while enjoying your gulibility as a bonus.

Word of mouth Pre-Marketing 101:  Sow as many seeds of dissatisfaction in the competitors product by investing in the 2% who enjoy preying on the insecurity of the average customer. Spread a few flashy pictures on the Internet and some realy good looking videos and the 2% will spread their joy untill the real product is released. By then the legions of the dissatisfied will jump on the new product even if it's for a short time before leaving it.

There is absolutly no difference in Marketing or a Confidence Racket. They are preying on the same emotions and telling the same lies that your exact dreams will come true for a small sum. And if the Marketing company is smart, isn't paying any taxes either.

[guncrasher]

I will play wop when it comes out just to play it.  but if there's anything like wot then it will be the best players are those that can spend the most money rather than those who are skilled.  wop will have nothing on aces high for those of us who would rather play for the fun of it rather than to get some higher tier plane.  I can just imagine now having mig's and sabres in the arenas because you paid 30 bucks for the plane lust another 10 or 20 cents for each heat seeking missile. after all they do have the type59 tank in wot and the word is that wot is based on ww2 but not dedicated to it.


semp

[Kazaa]

I will play wop when it comes out just to play it.  but if there's anything like wot then it will be the best players are those that can spend the most money rather than those who are skilled.  wop will have nothing on aces high for those of us who would rather play for the fun of it rather than to get some higher tier plane.  I can just imagine now having mig's and sabres in the arenas because you paid 30 bucks for the plane lust another 10 or 20 cents for each heat seeking missile. after all they do have the type59 tank in wot and the word is that wot is based on ww2 but not dedicated to it.


semp

You mean WoWp?

[Brooke]

How realistic the game looks can also highly depend on factors like weather, terrain, aircraft skins, and shot composition -- things that aren't a matter of anything new in the game but just how the already-present capabilities are set.

Here are a bunch of shots from various scenarios that play around with the above factors in ways that might differ from what folks are used to (different clouds, different terrains, different sky color to simulate weather, etc.) along with shot composition intended to give best effect, of course.

[FBCrabby]

Rise of Flight.

Another 10minutes of my life has been wasted staring at spike's avatar