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Offline Tupac

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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2012, 01:57:25 PM »
Well, if you have an IAS number for shedding parts, it should be good for any altitude shouldn't it?  While a TAS is going to vary by altitude.  IAS will give you a measure of "pressure" on the aircraft, while TAS gives you a measurement of ground distance covered per unit of time, right?



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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2012, 02:14:32 PM »
and as TAS goes up with altitude it makes sense to give a speed in IAS and not TAS. 460 TAS will be reached quite quickly at 30k but IAS will take more time (thinner air)
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2012, 06:07:40 PM »
 I've taken the mossie6 above 500mph TAS a few times,you must use trim to pull out because any stick inputs will shed parts! At or about 470 it starts to complain and enters compressibility,you can control this though with some cross controls but it's best to use trim to get the nose up!





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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2012, 06:17:47 PM »
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2012, 06:51:15 PM »

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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #20 on: January 15, 2012, 07:19:14 PM »
Tupac is correct, never accede speed has nothing to do with TAS, it's IAS. The reason why your parts are falling off at high speed is because the air creates a lot of pressure on the airfoil. The higher up you go the thinner the air gets. TAS is the actual speed your moving though air, the thinner the air gets the faster you can move though it as there is less resistance. IAS is measured by the pitot tube, the thinner the air the lower your IAS (given the same TAS) will be because there is less air molecules putting pressure on the pitot tube, the same goes to the rest of the airplane.

Pitot tube directly measures ram air pressure, then it subtracts the static air pressure from the ram air pressure and gives you the dynamic pressure. Dynamic pressure is your Indicated Air Speed. TAS can not be measure, only derived. In order to find the TAS you need to convert IAS into CAS (calibrated airspeed), CAS is IAS removed of all errors, the aircraft manufacturer usually gives you the IAS to CAS conversion chart. Then you can derive your TAS by knowing your pressure altitude, OAT (outside air temperature), and CAS.

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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2012, 08:42:35 PM »
Today in MA i got to over 480 before i started having creaking but i was careful and nothing broke.

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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #22 on: January 16, 2012, 11:29:01 AM »
ask your inlaws wouldn't they prefer you thinkin about them while playin AH, rather than thinkin about AH while being with them?  Next time you go back thei'yre should be desktop waitin for ya. an 460IAS is about where i start slowin er down.
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2012, 05:31:35 AM »
ask your inlaws wouldn't they prefer you thinkin about them while playin AH, rather than thinkin about AH while being with them?  Next time you go back thei'yre should be desktop waitin for ya. an 460IAS is about where i start slowin er down.

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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #24 on: January 17, 2012, 09:32:03 AM »
Don't know about the Fighter/Attack Mossie because I don't really fly it.  But the Mossie XVI I was flying the other day started shaking when I was diving away from a unkown 190 type plane I checked the bomb sight, because I am not familiar with the cockpit gauges, and it read 516mph.  I know I was compressing and not so wisely tried to use some rudder to slow down after chopping throttle.   Lucky for me you can still fly without a rudder.

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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2012, 12:19:28 PM »
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2012, 12:37:23 PM »
The Vne speed changes with altitude.  Since most of the atmosphere is below 18,000 feet, Vne is pretty close to accurate below that.  However, when you get above those altitudes, it changes pretty dramatically.

They also call it Vmo (Velocity Maximum Operating) for jet-airliners.  For instance, Mach .80 is Vmo for 737's at 35k feet, which is roughly 270 knots IAS.  At sea level, the Vne is 360 knots IAS, if I recall correctly.
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2012, 04:02:08 PM »
The Vne speed changes with altitude.  Since most of the atmosphere is below 18,000 feet, Vne is pretty close to accurate below that.  However, when you get above those altitudes, it changes pretty dramatically.

They also call it Vmo (Velocity Maximum Operating) for jet-airliners.  For instance, Mach .80 is Vmo for 737's at 35k feet, which is roughly 270 knots IAS.  At sea level, the Vne is 360 knots IAS, if I recall correctly.

That should not effect the Mosquito (especially in AH), it does not go as high and as fast for it to make a significant difference. Also I don't not believe it is programmed in AH, the numbers for Mosquito's Vmo should not exist. In other words the actual number is there however no one in the 40s knew what Vmo is and it does not operate at those altitudes and speeds, so I seriously doubt that de Havilland published that speed. If they didn't publish it and it was not tested for it there would be no place for HTC to get the numbers so it should not be programmed in AH.
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2012, 04:10:05 PM »
That should not effect the Mosquito (especially in AH), it does not go as high and as fast for it to make a significant difference. Also I don't not believe it is programmed in AH, the numbers for Mosquito's Vmo should not exist. In other words the actual number is there however no one in the 40s knew what Vmo is and it does not operate at those altitudes and speeds, so I seriously doubt that de Havilland published that speed. If they didn't publish it and it was not tested for it there would be no place for HTC to get the numbers so it should not be programmed in AH.

I agree, it probably shouldn't matter in this context, was just inserting a tid-bit from what little knowledge I have. :)
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Re: Mossie part shedding speed
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2012, 04:16:12 PM »
I agree, it probably shouldn't matter in this context, was just inserting a tid-bit from what little knowledge I have. :)

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