Storch Can Pick Up Downed Pilot to get a Landed Rescue Message

[muzik]

Ever hear of Teamspeak, Ventrilo, Skype or phones?

Yeah, all the "no communication" bit would do is block random people.

Think a bit before posting, "whiner".

Whos the whiner?   Im not the one crying because someone else might land "2 kills" or 20. Im merely pointing out solutions to your petty whines.  If you get angry because someone else succeeds in any way, you have an ego problem. I could care less if they use ventriloquist, skypeople, or teamspokesmen.

It is as important to me as when gv'ers instantly repair 10 times before finally killing the guy who shot them 10 times or when someones only tactic in the game is to go head-on guns blazing in every encounter because they know that this is just a game and they dont really die if things dont go their way. It may be lame and an annoyance, but the ways that others game the game does not consume my days.

The problem is with them getting a "landed kills" message when they were shot down.  So player X gets two kills and lands is the same as player Y getting two kills and then shot down?  Just because player Y has squaddies or lackeys that want to preserve his score or get him his precious "kills landed" text bar glory? 

It can't be counted as "kills landed" because he came back in a different plane than he left in.  If the Storch pilot were to get:"player Z rescued two pilots in a Storch", that would make sense.  The rescued pilot didn't do anything, so why should he get anything?

No.  No to your hypothetical "carrying 8" scenario and no to lying about it.  I don't get off on having my name in lights. 
Which is what this is all about: "Look at me everybody, I landed killz!"  Not if you got shot down, you didn't.

So is it fair to say that you dont clap when someone else lands kills?

They weren't credited for a successful landing either.

ack-ack

Erich Hartmann went down 11 times, lets just say they didnt hold it against him.

[Karnak]

whiner,

Those who are objecting to the state of the game as it is now and ignoring the obvious problems being pointed out about their idiotic wish are the whiners.  That should be obvious.  The people who are pointing out these obvious problems in a foolhardy and apparently hopeless attempt to enlighten said whiners have nothing to whine about as they are already aware of why things are better the way they are now.

Erich Hartmann went down 11 times, lets just say they didnt hold it against him.

You're in luck.  It doesn't get held against you in AH either.  You can just grab another airplane.

[Changeup]

Think a bit before posting, "whiner".

Wow...what a "dick" response.  Don't be a "dick".  Wasn't Karnak the pretend know-it-all of Johnny Carson?  Perfect

[Karnak]

Wow...what a "dick" response.  Don't be a "dick".  Wasn't Karnak the pretend know-it-all of Johnny Carson?  Perfect

Read the thread.  I was not the one tossing insults, but whiner there decided that he had to interject them into the thread.  I am merely granting whiner's wish.

[caldera]

So is it fair to say that you dont clap when someone else lands kills?

Quite fair.  Rarely do I send out a "WTG".  What that fact has to do with the discussion is beyond me.  Still waiting for an explanation of how getting shot down will be equated with landing kills.

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Read the thread.  I was not the one tossing insults, but whiner there decided that he had to interject them into the thread.  I am merely granting whiner's wish.

I'm certain that calling him a whiner 50 times per post isn't dickish and it's helping you make your point..ya think?

[Karnak]

I'm certain that calling him a whiner 50 times per post isn't dickish and it's helping you make your point..ya think?

He is beyond getting my point, so me being testy with him in reply to his choice to start insulting people who dared to disagree with him doesn't affect the chance of him understanding our arguments.

[muzik]

Quite fair.  Rarely do I send out a "WTG".  What that fact has to do with the discussion is beyond me. 

It's called sarcasm. It is relevant because of how utterly consumed you are with other people landing kills, or not landing kills by your preference.

Still waiting for an explanation of how getting shot down will be equated with landing kills.

I am going to make an assumption here because your question makes no sense.  Getting shot down does not "equate" to landing kills. Although they are both aspects of our discussion, they are not the same thing. Getting shot down is getting shot down, not much room for interpretation there.

Landing kills is a strictly game function and definition because in WW2, pilots didnt "land kills." They achieved victories (which DOES "equate" to kills.) And they didnt have to "land" to be credited with a kill. They could ditch, bail, crash, and/or die and their kills were still credited to them.

The only thing I am trying to equate here is pilot rescue to a fun activity, that hopefully doesnt hurt your feelings

Read the thread.  I was not the one tossing insults, but whiner there decided that he had to interject them into the thread.  I am merely granting whiner's wish.

When you actually understand the meaning of the word whiner, perhaps we can continue this discussion.

He is beyond getting my point, so me being testy with him in reply to his choice to start insulting people who dared to disagree with him doesn't affect the chance of him understanding our arguments.

I completely get your point. You feel insignificant when other people land kills and you want to prevent it from happening at the expense of others having fun.

[Karnak]

I completely get your point. You feel insignificant when other people land kills and you want to prevent it from happening at the expense of others having fun.

Nope.  Not that at all.

[caldera]

It's called sarcasm. It is relevant because of how utterly consumed you are with other people landing kills, or not landing kills by your preference.


I am going to make an assumption here because your question makes no sense.  Getting shot down does not "equate" to landing kills. Although they are both aspects of our discussion, they are not the same thing. Getting shot down is getting shot down, not much room for interpretation there.

Landing kills is a strictly game function and definition because in WW2, pilots didnt "land kills." They achieved victories (which DOES "equate" to kills.) And they didnt have to "land" to be credited with a kill. They could ditch, bail, crash, and/or die and their kills were still credited to them.

The only thing I am trying to equate here is pilot rescue to a fun activity, that hopefully doesnt hurt your feelings


When you actually understand the meaning of the word whiner, perhaps we can continue this discussion.



I completely get your point. You feel insignificant when other people land kills and you want to prevent it from happening at the expense of others having fun.

Wow.  You're right, I haven't slept in weeks over this.  So anyone that disagrees with your ideas and makes a case against them is both consumed and hurt?  I'm done here.  The phrase "like talking to a brick wall" has your name written all over it.

[Shifty]

If you get angry because someone else succeeds in any way, you have an ego problem.

Explain how getting shot down is succeeding.

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Explain how getting shot down is succeeding.

If I took 5 of them with me? success

If they hung out at 12K and waited til 4 guys bled me out and then came down and killed me? success

If I gave someone a good fight that they enjoyed?  Success

If I flew out in a Storch and picked MUZIK up so he could land his kills and I got to keep his perks?  Success (That would be a win/win in motivational parlance)

As a future MOD, you should know better than anyone...its a game and FUN = success

What I dont understand is the folks here that TELL people what is a waste of time.  As much as they would hate to admit it here or to themselves, no one gets to tell someone else what is or is not a waste of their time or the games time.  See, that is a value judgement and although some might not value a rescue, others would.  That's akin to telling someone how they should "feel".  No one gets to tell people how they feel or what would be a waste of time to them because its all in the value judgement.  Folks that do that kind of thing are typically the corner A personalities that feel important only when they are controlling others.  

Take the idea and talk about what YOU would or wouldnt do...not what you know as fact others would do because quite frankly, no one knows what someone else would do.  Its kind of embarrassing watching someone speak for the community as a whole...because that person has NO IDEA what someone else finds fun.  Please don't say they do...

[Karnak]

Yes, taking five with you is a success, but not as much as taking five out and returning to your base.  You are asking to turn it into the same thing at the expense of the game.

To a degree the answer to this is already in the game in the form of perk bomber drones.  If you take a formation of B-29s you will pay about 300 perk points, 100 per plane, and if you lose two of them while getting the "successful landing" message in the third, you still don't get to get the perk points back for the two that you lost, you only get about 100 perk points back.

[Shifty]

If I took 5 of them with me? success

If they hung out at 12K and waited til 4 guys bled me out and then came down and killed me? success

If I gave someone a good fight that they enjoyed?  Success

If I flew out in a Storch and picked MUZIK up so he could land his kills and I got to keep his perks?  Success (That would be a win/win in motivational parlance)

As a future MOD, you should know better than anyone...its a game and FUN = success

What I don't understand is the folks here that TELL people what is a waste of time.  As much as they would hate to admit it here or to themselves, no one gets to tell someone else what is or is not a waste of their time or the games time.  See, that is a value judgement and although some might not value a rescue, others would.  That's akin to telling someone how they should "feel".  No one gets to tell people how they feel or what would be a waste of time to them because its all in the value judgement.  Folks that do that kind of thing are typically the corner A personalities that feel important only when they are controlling others.  

Take the idea and talk about what YOU would or wouldn't do...not what you know as fact others would do because quite frankly, no one knows what someone else would do.  Its kind of embarrassing watching someone speak for the community as a whole...because that person has NO IDEA what someone else finds fun.  Please don't say they do...

That's quite a soapbox you jumped on for a question that wasn't even directed at you. You don't need to lecture me on presuming I know what is and isn't fun for people, I've made no claims in that regard in this thread. Here's something for you to consider. Why should a guy that gets shot down and rescued get his name in lights when a guy that got the same number of kills and nurses his aircraft back to a friendly base ditching in the airbase perimeter because battle damage prevented him from making it  to the runway not get his name in lights? Why should the guy that defends his base from a horde getting 5 kills and forced to bail over his base not get his name in lights yet a guy rescued does? What makes getting rescued more valuable and worthy of getting your name in lights when the same is not done for the other two instances I've listed above?

[Karnak]

If I flew out in a Storch and picked WHINER up so he could land his kills and I got to keep his perks?  Success (That would be a win/win in motivational parlance)

Depends on your point of view and what you mean by "keep his perks."

For you it is a win, particularly if he managed to get back towards the base and you aren't flying your Fi156 into contested air space you are getting basically free perks.  For him, he gets his name in lights and gets to keep his score despite being shot down and all he has to do is wait for fifteen to thirty minutes on a hillside.  For the rest of the guys in the arena it is a loss, you've both been effectively removed from participating in the game for those fifteen to thirty minutes.

As to the keeping the perks bit, it is one thing if you mean the perks he earned on the sortie, though I do see ways to game that.  Much worse and much easier to game would be getting the perks he had paid for a perk plane.  That would be frequently gamed as a perk point transfer method, bail out of an Me262 near some field in the back and then your buddy, at no risk, comes and picks you up, presto, you gave him about 200 perk points.