Avoiding the First Snapshot When Getting Bounced

[Peyton]

thanks

[bozon]

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When I say rotate 90 degrees and maneuver in a different plane, I mean right as he is about to fire, you rotate so your wings are now parallel with the horizon again. Pulling up or pushing down from this point will usually spoil his gun solution and even force an overshoot.

I would stress that vertical and horizontal are usually the wurst directions  - go diagonal. He'll need to correct his aim in both axis, instead of just kicking rudder or a small jerk of the stick. Most people have problems when they need to apply two flight controls at once and/or think in terms which are not vertical/horizontal.

[grizz441]

I would stress that vertical and horizontal are usually the wurst directions  - go diagonal. He'll need to correct his aim in both axis, instead of just kicking rudder or a small jerk of the stick. Most people have problems when they need to apply two flight controls at once and/or think in terms which are not vertical/horizontal.

It's the principle not the exact degree that is important to understand.

[bozon]

grizz, I know you know this. My comment was directed towards the less experienced players that may tend to take you example too literally. We can often find on these boards questions by new players that clearly show a one-axis thinking and you can find many players in the MA that fly like that.

[grizz441]

grizz, I know you know this. My comment was directed towards the less experienced players that may tend to take you example too literally. We can often find on these boards questions by new players that clearly show a one-axis thinking and you can find many players in the MA that fly like that.

Rgr that, that's exactly right.

[TequilaChaser]

I would stress that vertical and horizontal are usually the wurst directions  - go diagonal. He'll need to correct his aim in both axis, instead of just kicking rudder or a small jerk of the stick. Most people have problems when they need to apply two flight controls at once and/or think in terms which are not vertical/horizontal.

is a dang shame you never took me up on my offer long time ago, bozon..... but you still provide some most excellent commentary & Instruction on this particular forum, Sir

and it is much appreciated <S>
TC

[FireDrgn]

Here's a common situation for me:
- flying along. say a Spit 16.
- F4U or Tempest comes from non-rear-quarter direction, 5k higher.
- Con rolls in on me, fast closure.
- I break.
- Con kills me during break (because my break move sucks)

I've tried various breaks here, but often enough, they get a 1/2 second snapshot that kills me or damages me enough so that it doesn't make a difference. I'm not talking about the folks who throttle down and saddle up behind me. These are guys just going to take a snap, and then set up their next shot, holding on to their E.

If I go horizontal, the F4Us seem to be able to get enough instantaneous turn performance to get a deadly snapshot a lot of the time. If I split S, this works fairly well, but still a fair number of times I get killed during the split S. I hate to pull up in front of a con, but maybe I *should* do a really tight upwards vertical move here? Seems counter-intuitive.

Is it a question of timing? What would be a good combo of move + timing of when to start it?

film your fight and post it or pm me and ill give u my email and you can email it to me..  sometimes what is going on is actually differant from what you think is going on.

[bozon]

is a dang shame you never took me up on my offer long time ago, bozon..... but you still provide some most excellent commentary & Instruction on this particular forum, Sir

and it is much appreciated <S>
TC

I am sorry I could not oblige. last couple of years I could not play much - a killer combination of work, kids and a crappy gaming computer. My period grounded is about to end in a week or two. Then I join the rank of noobs till I shake off the rust. Still, my online time will be extremely limited.
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