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Offline colmbo

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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2012, 09:46:19 PM »

I wish someone could rip the sound from the Red Bull F4u4 starting up (youtube) - its by far the perfect startup i've seen in a while.



I'm not so sure it was a "perfect" start.  He seemed to be doing something wrong the first couple of attempts -- guessing either priming or mixture.  I haven't started a 2800 but I have done lots of starts on an 1830 and they consistently started on the 12th blade.  They only time they didn't is if we'd goofed something up.
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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2012, 09:50:30 PM »
No, I didn't.

As far as I know the only time when you would get is (given proper conditions) when your fuel pump can not provide enough pressure to overcome it. So if that happens it's probably time to change your fuel pump. Also in addition to the heat and working equipment the type of fuel will make a difference.



The classic vapor lock occurs while the engine is off.  Heat vaporizes the fuel in the line. A weak pump may prevent you from clearing the line but isn't really a factor in the lock occuring.
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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2012, 10:05:31 PM »
I doubt that you'd be playing this game if it was in space with sci-fi space ships. Or remember the flying sharks with lasers, would you like to have those available in the MA on daily bases?

So you probably care about realism.
not really i care about flying with squadies and some other good friends I have. 


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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2012, 10:25:14 PM »
-1, if we include the initial start up from take-off. We're assuming that everything is under ideal conditions here, as we are where every single aspect of maintenence, human-error, supply, etc.

For a game, I think thats as it should be. The entire purpose of playing the game isn't really to see how many aircraft you can vulch on the runway because their engines didn't start up. Or how many Tiger tanks you can 'kill', because they ran out of fuel, and fighter-bombers hit their ammo trucks. I mean in my mind, the entire point of the game is to see how good you are, and if you can beat the other guys in a fight. Get down to the core of that, and the point of the game is to be challenged.


However, if its the mid-flight engine cutters, then hell yes. Learn to work the throttle, or you'll end up as someones free scooby-snack.
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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2012, 10:31:39 PM »
The classic vapor lock occurs while the engine is off.  Heat vaporizes the fuel in the line. A weak pump may prevent you from clearing the line but isn't really a factor in the lock occuring.

Yeah but my point is the lock wont prevent you from starting the engine given you have a good fuel pump.
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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2012, 10:33:34 PM »
not really i care about flying with squadies and some other good friends I have. 


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Hmm

So what made you choose AH in the first place?
There had to be some reason why you chose a game that's based on WWII rather than a game based on Star Wars.
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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2012, 11:06:39 PM »
     For gameplay purposes, this is a stupid idea.  Who wants to be prevented from getting into the action as quickly as possible because of a random event?



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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2012, 11:31:50 PM »
I agree if it is applying to the engine in flight. I honestly can't imagine that they really turned off engines during flight in a single engine aircraft to try and out maneuver some other plane.
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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #23 on: February 25, 2012, 11:55:16 PM »
Hmm

So what made you choose AH in the first place?
There had to be some reason why you chose a game that's based on WWII rather than a game based on Star Wars.

my old squad was here and I wanted to play with them.  I met them in aw but i stopped playing around 2k didnt get a computer till 2005 when I came here looking for them as it was listed on the website that that's where they were.  but the squad had been disbanded and since i met some really cool guys then i kept playing.  I still see lots of players that I flew with from aw.  It has never been the planes that kept me around, it has always been the players.

but I still  laugh when somebody says "it's more realistic...".  it's a game and it will never be realistic.  it can simulate reality but that's as close as it gonna get  :salute.



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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2012, 01:04:53 AM »
You loop the first second or so of the "engine starrtup" sound. Problem solved.
go ahead and try that with engines that use the shotgun starter. or sounds with no starter.
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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2012, 12:51:41 PM »
If you want more realism consider that pilots didn't start their aircraft, the crew did. Increasing realism would be for the engine to already be on and warmed up when you jump in the cockpit. If you want to pretend your engine didn't start the first time just tap the E key again.

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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #26 on: February 26, 2012, 03:10:14 PM »
Yeah but my point is the lock wont prevent you from starting the engine given you have a good fuel pump.

LOL.  Okay....

Get some more experience with high performance aircraft.
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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #27 on: February 26, 2012, 03:15:07 PM »
Technacally isn't this already available: "e" button?

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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #28 on: February 26, 2012, 04:59:33 PM »
LOL.  Okay....

Get some more experience with high performance aircraft.

Ah...the typical Golfer answer. I am surprised that it came from you though.
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Re: Engine startup randomness
« Reply #29 on: February 26, 2012, 05:03:14 PM »
my old squad was here and I wanted to play with them.  I met them in aw but i stopped playing around 2k didnt get a computer till 2005 when I came here looking for them as it was listed on the website that that's where they were.  but the squad had been disbanded and since i met some really cool guys then i kept playing.  I still see lots of players that I flew with from aw.  It has never been the planes that kept me around, it has always been the players.

but I still  laugh when somebody says "it's more realistic...".  it's a game and it will never be realistic.  it can simulate reality but that's as close as it gonna get  :salute.



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So as long as your squadies are here you wont mind the flying shark with lasers being available on daily bases?

There are good things in reality and bad thing. A lot of people are wishing for the game to be as close to reality as possible but we also need to filter out all the bad things from reality so they would not deteriorate the game.
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