F/A-18E vs. F-35C

[Melvin]

Right....but after the aircraft launches you then have to track where it goes (hence the stealth) and then shoot it down, which part of the "stealth" makes it harder for infrared and radar seeking missiles.

In a battle group that basically controls every inch of air and sea space, from sea bottom to atmosphere top, for 600 miles around it. And moves at 30+ knots while operating day and night. Yes, the USN CV/Battle group, a total failure as a weapons system.

Ugh... I know how it works fellas, just interjecting a little humor into your experten conversation. Lighten up.

[beau32]

Question, why is the paint in the pics different shades of grey around details?

What details, can you explain a little more.

[Tank-Ace]

I'll repeat - the versatality/usefulness of the F-35, by the time it's finally going to be delivered, is ALREADY starting to be seriously questioned - if for no other reason than its single-seat configuration and the limitiations already being had by existing fighter aircraft with that configuration, in active use, today.  There's just too much s!@# going on up there for a single pilot to handle ontop of aviating, navigating and communicating these days - especially with those units assigned to CAGs.

That doesn't mean that the airframe itself isn't versatile, becuse it is. I don't think theres any other aircrame out there that can carry as many weapons in as many different combinations. That in and of itself gives the F-35 some inherent versatility and mission flexability that other airframes simply lack. Granted its overall usefulness is under question, I don't think the actuall versatility is.

[Masherbrum]

Just imagine Adonai getting out of the Death Rattlers only F-18E/F and handing him the keys to an F-35!

[Ack-Ack]

Just imagine Adonai getting out of the Death Rattlers only F-18E/F and handing him the keys to an F-35!

 


ack-ack

[Baumer]

Well if politics and fighting about hitting program requirements hadn't intervened, this would have been the Navy's first stealth aircraft.



It's funny that the lawsuit about the cancellation of the A-12 has gone all the way to the supreme court, and there's hardly any news coverage about it. The B&W is an artists impression, the lower images are of the full size mockup that was built.

Now I'm sure that Adonai must have flown this!

[B-17]

So Baum are you suggesting that Canada should rethink it's purchase of F35's?

  Of course we dont have a carrier so the inability to land on 1 is not a concern.


  It's been a huge debate up here but I think the decision has been made to go ahead with the purchase.





   

Wait what? We did? When?

And yes, no aircraft carrier, but we could just put a bunch of sheet metal on top of a barge, couldn't we?

[Wildcat1]

Found this on YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lPZDc8mzsY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It was made by the media, so who knows how much of it is truth and how much is, well, horse-hockey, but it seems to me the capabilities of the F-35 will blow other airframes out of the water when it comes to true multi-role ability.

The fact that you can concentrate on both A/G and A/A threats simultaneously is incredible. Being able to have both feeds show up for the pilot at the same time I'm sure is going to save lives down the road.

[beau32]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y44lftPGWvM

Try this video out Wildcat. It was made by Lockheed Martin and was shown to us on our first day with the F-35.

[Stoney]

Every time I seriously sit down and think about the F-35, F-22, and B-2, all I can do is think about the Tiger, the Panther, and the Tiger II...

[Noir]

That doesn't mean that the airframe itself isn't versatile, becuse it is. I don't think theres any other aircrame out there that can carry as many weapons in as many different combinations. That in and of itself gives the F-35 some inherent versatility and mission flexability that otherd airframes simply lack. Granted its overall usefulness is under question, I don't think the actuall versatility is.

When I think F35 I think single engined raphale with a cloak. Carry on

[PR3D4TOR]

Every time I seriously sit down and think about the F-35, F-22, and B-2, all I can do is think about the Tiger, the Panther, and the Tiger II...

Ask any surviving allied tanker what he'd rather be in...

"Tiger"

[Wildcat1]

Every time I seriously sit down and think about the F-35, F-22, and B-2, all I can do is think about the Tiger, the Panther, and the Tiger II...

Consider this:

No Middle Eastern air force has any more than 250 fighters in their inventory, and most of those are 3rd generation airframes.

China has at this time 110 examples of the J-11 (indigenous copy of the SU-27), and around 50 examples of the imported SU-27 and SU-30 airframes. They also have 190 examples of the J-10.

The most numerous fighter in their inventory? Just under 300 examples of the J-7, an advanced version of the MiG-21.

Russia, if you consider them a threat (which frankly I wouldn't, they like keeping their hands clean), has around 250 examples of the MiG-29, and around 230 SU-27s.

Absolutely these numbers go way up in times of crises, but if production can happen at the rate Lockheed Martin is claiming, we would have over 300 F-35s after just one year of production. Couple that with 187 F-22s and that is quite the formidable force.

[Bodhi]

Some folks don't know what a malcontent and troll Bodhi is. They're new and haven't had the displeasure to experience it.

I've been following a number of discussion threads on the F-35 in other forums and some of them quite lengthy (90 pages+) and some including current pilots (one forum has a current day F-22 pilot that chimes in at times). The majority of all the negative press on this plane is unjustified. There are a lot of egos being bruised, a lot of palms being greased, a lot of politicians posturing for their states (which is false posturing since THEIR STATE is creating jobs by helping build the thing) and the end result is the ****-storm of negative press. None of it means a hill of beans.

This WILL be our frontline fighter for a generation to come. That's already been decided. The rest is just Fox News and BS posturing. Don't believe me? Do the research yourself. Just don't take Bodhi's comments to mean anything.

LOL, you want a tissue?

I am far from a troll when it comes to you.  You are a serial know-it-all on these forums.  You toss your supposed knowledge about absolutely everything aviation and history related and claim it as fact.  Most times it is rebuked as an outright fabrication of your mind.

There is a reason that there is a Krusty scale when it comes to bullcrap on these forums.

One would think that with maturity, you would learn that you do not know everything.  You obviously haven't.  Instead of manning up and admitting you do not know everything, you attack the messenger.  Just remember, that every time I see your nonsense, I am going to call it as such.

Oh, and one last thing, the F-35 is not guaranteed to be our front line fighter of the future.  The country is bankrupt and people are looking at the cost over runs of the program and are asking serious questions especially since the costs are likely to equate that of the F-22, which was cancelled because it is so much more expensive than the F-35.  LOL, what a joke.  All it takes now is someone in a very powerful place to say no, we are not going forward and wasting anymore money.

[caldera]

OK, so it does have stealth, lets see how long/popular that flavor lasts after they develop the next greatest and coolest thing in military aviation - very very likely to be some comlpex high-tech deivce/system requiring idealy a weapons officer/back seater to effectively operate while flying and to use in combat.

The next greatest thing might be the Chinese making 20,000 cheap drones that far outnumber the missiles we have to shoot them down.