Replace 190a8 with a9!

[Butcher]

And yet, the early 190 slaughtered spits and turned inside the contemporary 109s. I do not have hard evidence, but that's what the pilots said.

You mean the 190s vs Spitfire V? It was over the Channel in 1941/2 where I read this also, whether its accurate or not I can't say, I do remember British Spit V pilots claiming to be outclassed entirely by 190a5s.

From vague what I can remember:
190s rolled better, climbed better, dived better and out accelerated

I cannot recall what version of the 190 this was, the A-4 was available June/July of 1942 -

[Denniss]

Just for Info:
The Fw 190 A-5 manual issued 12/1943 (data from 8/1943) has an all-up weight of 4106 kg while a performance report from Focke-Wulf Flugmechanik (dated 10/1943) notes only 4000kg.
It's obvious the Fw Flugmechanik reports either all have a weight problem or are calculated with reduced fuel or they removed something else to arrive at these weights.
In a Fw Flugmechanik range chart for the A-8, dated 12/43, the weight is stated as 4365kg.

[Guppy35]

You mean the 190s vs Spitfire V? It was over the Channel in 1941/2 where I read this also, whether its accurate or not I can't say, I do remember British Spit V pilots claiming to be outclassed entirely by 190a5s.

From vague what I can remember:
190s rolled better, climbed better, dived better and out accelerated

I cannot recall what version of the 190 this was, the A-4 was available June/July of 1942 -

One of the reasons I flew a Spit V in the previous scenario was to see if all I'd read about how the 190 outclassed it was reflected in the game.

I laughed out loud more then once when history would repeat itself via AH.  All the Spit V had going for it was turning circle.  The 190 dominated unless it got into a slow turning fight.  I found myself using Johnnie Johnsons tactics.  Either avoid the 190s or get them on the deck and hope to get them slow.

It sure made it clear why the Spit IX was such a godsend to the RAF fighter drivers.

[Karnak]

And yet, the early 190 slaughtered spits

"Spitfire Mk Vs" not "Spitfires".  Be specific or you look stupid.

[33Vortex]

"Spitfire Mk Vs" not "Spitfires".  Be specific or you look stupid.

Sure I appreciate your feedback and I admit that was a bit vague, but I'd advise you to use your brain also.

Guess which types the early 190s saw action against? The early spits!!!  

[Karnak]

Sure I appreciate your feedback and I admit that was a bit vague, but I'd advise you to use your brain also.

Guess which types the early 190s saw action against? The early spits!!!  

Well, and the Mk IX.

The way you phrased it made it look like a "My Fw190 should be slaughtering Spitfires, but it doesn't so it is undermodeled" whine.  If you meant only the Spitfire Mk V I apologize for being overly harsh in my wording.  That said, the Fw190A-5 does slaughter Spitfire Mk Vs in AH.

[33Vortex]

The way you phrased it made it look like a "My Fw190 should be slaughtering Spitfires, but it doesn't so it is undermodeled" whine.

That is your interpretation and not my responsibility. However it is good practice around here to be so clear that it is impossible to misunderstand, or else someone is bound to and will jump on you for it. The fact that you did, kindof proves it, and if you hadn't I'm fairly sure at least a dozen others were itching to. The lack of respectful and insightful communication on these boards is a good reason to stay off them altogether, if you ask me. However the thought strikes me that since you didn't ask you probably don't care but there you have it anyway.

[Karnak]

As pointed out, the generic term "Spitfires" wasn't even applicable to early Fw190s.  You're clarification included the erroneous comment "Guess which types the early 190s saw action against? The early spits!!!" when the Spitfire Mk IX was also faced by early Fw190s, an opponent they found to be much more difficult.

[33Vortex]

Depends on how you define 'early 190s' right? Or perhaps it would be better to define it by a time period? How difficult is it to get through to people here? My interpretation of the way you post is that you're just trying to corner me here proving some kind of point that I really don't care about. Additionally, you are wasting my time. I did not post here to pick some kind of forum fight, it seems to me that you did. If that is the case, you certainly picked the wrong guy.

In 1941 and well into '42, the spit jocks were terrified of the 190. Will that do it for you? Or is it just another rant to you? Are you finding it challenging to be friendly, much?

[Brooke]

Can we get this skin for it as well?



(Notice the various antennae for the Ueberkerplotz SKZ-52 radio system.)

[Brooke]

I flew 190A-5's in the "Enemy Coast Ahead" scenario.  We flew against Spit V's, Spit IX's, and Typhoons.  I took the A5 because I thought it would be the least-popular plane in the scenario, but the A5 was great against those aircraft, and the plane that gave us the most trouble was the Typhoon.

Some pics of the action in that scenario:

http://electraforge.com/brooke/flightsims/scenarios/201110_enemyCoastAhead/aar_frame1.htm

[Wiley]

Depends on how you define 'early 190s' right? Or perhaps it would be better to define it by a time period? How difficult is it to get through to people here? My interpretation of the way you post is that you're just trying to corner me here proving some kind of point that I really don't care about. Additionally, you are wasting my time. I did not post here to pick some kind of forum fight, it seems to me that you did. If that is the case, you certainly picked the wrong guy.

In 1941 and well into '42, the spit jocks were terrified of the 190. Will that do it for you? Or is it just another rant to you? Are you finding it challenging to be friendly, much?

You obviously don't understand the gravity of the situation.  190 threads are no laughing matter, they're serious business!

Wiley.

[33Vortex]

You obviously don't understand the gravity of the situation.  190 threads are no laughing matter, they're serious business!

Wiley.

Oh... my mistake then. 



 

 


Have a good day all, I'm going offline for a couple weeks.

 

[Guppy35]

Depends on how you define 'early 190s' right? Or perhaps it would be better to define it by a time period? How difficult is it to get through to people here? My interpretation of the way you post is that you're just trying to corner me here proving some kind of point that I really don't care about. Additionally, you are wasting my time. I did not post here to pick some kind of forum fight, it seems to me that you did. If that is the case, you certainly picked the wrong guy.

In 1941 and well into '42, the spit jocks were terrified of the 190. Will that do it for you? Or is it just another rant to you? Are you finding it challenging to be friendly, much?

The 190 dominated the Spit Vfrom it's introduction in the Fall of 41 to the late summer of 42 when the Spit 9 was introduced.

From then on the Spit 9 and the 190A series were tweaked as the need arose and were essentially equals.

[Charge]

"Notice the various antennae for the Ueberkerplotz SKZ-52 radio system."

FuG216 V Neptun (AI-radar) with Letzler antennas. 

Basically a "wilde sau" machine -but not in such colours! 

-C+