C205: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly

[Butcher]

It cruises pretty well when you throttle it back. I can get pretty long sorties out of it. I agree I'd love to see the DTs, but historically they just didn't play much of a part. Because of that we may never get that addition.

That's one reason I'd enjoy seeing the G.55: It had longer internal range than the C.205 did.

I'm begging if we get a C.205 update - the G.55 might be added as well, would be a nice addition - I certainly would fly the g.55 over the C2 even with a DT - if not a 205 with a DT would be nice.

I don't think we'd get the addition either, which is puzzling since the 51D has 1k bombs and rockets option - the 205 had DTs they were never used since they took off and were simply intercepting IB aircraft

[Rich52]

Personally I don't find that to be a problem. I don't mind flying the less-common planes in the arena. In fact I rather like standing out a little.

Right. The thrust of my words were basically in agreement with your high regard of the plane.

[Gman]

The G55 is one of my fav WW2 fighters.  Three internally mounted MG151's and 2 13mm's, it'd have 190A8 like firepower, with 400 mph top speed at the right altitude, and be able to out turn/climb/fight our fw190A8 every which way until sunday.  I haven't found much information on the roll rate, but even if it's average it will still be a very dangerous Axis ride, and likely turn into a very popular one in the MA.  I don't think the rear view would be anything to jump and down over.

I'm not holding my breath of ever seeing it in the game in my lifetime, what with the 410 contest being over half a year ago and still not one picture of its existence, but it's fun to hope.

[Mordock]

holy watermelon the 410 contest was half a year ago?!!? Damn having just returned to the game recently I figured the contest was a month ago or so. If it takes HTC this long to bang out one plane then I'll be dust in the wind before I get the intense graphic update I so desire.

[GradeyShane]

C205 is my personal all around favorite fighter.   Everyone has summed up pros/cons well here.  IMO you can fly it at any alt, but you have to be wise about your speed, its not a good low speed fighter but is good mid speeds and fast.  Climbs great, solid speed, good gun package, and with 100% fuel I tend to get all the sortie out of it I want before its time to take a smoke break anyway   Its aint no spit 16 but its a good fun plane to fly.

It is the Good Bad and Ugly's squad fighter.  We fly them all the time 

[Rich52]

I think that the most limiting thing about the 205 is that almost all fights eventually end up on the deck, at 0.0 Alt,or close to it and you either have the low speed or you dont should you get into any trouble. At least in the LWA where 50% of all things flying are 5 eny. I'd love to see just one map where 1/2 base's are at 10,000'/15,000' on top of a mountain, like in the TA. One where all fights start out at least 10,000'/15,000' above the deck.

[Krusty]

First of all, I don't find it true that all my 205 fights end up on the deck. In fact rarely do they. Further, it's not a downhill fighter. It's an uphill fighter. It can regain E with copious WEP usage and climb over other targets, so why would you want to start high and give your one advantage (rate of climb) away?

[Tank-Ace]

Because altitude, possition, and a higher relative E-level are even bigger advantages.



Why start high and give up your advantage of climb rate? I say why start down low, fight an up-hill battle, and give up the advantages of altitude, energy, and possition?

[Widewing]

Its a 109G2 with twin cannons. The End. 

The 109G-2 is faster, better climbing and will fly circles around the C.205....

[Widewing]

Oh HECK NO!

The C205 has superior diving abilities, which is incredibly important if you combine that with it's fantastic climbrate!
The C205 has superior departure characteristics compared with the 109, being less susceptible to snap rolls and torque roll particularly at low speeds.
The twin 20mm carry a lot more ammo, which allows a pilot to be more encouraged to take a less than perfect shot.
It has more than one fuel tank which could be a pretty big difference if taking damage.

In terms of speed and climbrate it is similar on military power to the 109G2 and the G14, but has much weaker WEP.

Turn radius is better with both mentioned 109's either with flaps or without, and acceleration is good, but not as good as the 109's

Keep in mind though, that this is assuming the 109's are not carrying gondolas. 

Most of the above is pure hogwash...

The 109G-2 is faster up 22k, where they are about equal. The 109G-2 out-climbs the C.205 at any altitude. Departure characteristics easily favor the 109. Few fighters are as stable at the limits. Turning circle? the 109 wins with great ease. Meet me in the TA or DA sometime and I'll demonstrate how badly outclassed the C.205 is compared to the 109G-2.

[Krusty]

Because altitude, possition, and a higher relative E-level are even bigger advantages.

Why start high and give up your advantage of climb rate? I say why start down low, fight an up-hill battle, and give up the advantages of altitude, energy, and possition?

Because then everyone will spawn off these 10k fields and simply dive downhill on the most cherry-like target below them with no need for skill. Trust me, that's how every H2H room did it, that's how the TA/DA has always done it.

There's no advantage if everybody dog piles the lowest, slowest, con. However, if they all start at ground level and work up, there IS an advantage for the planes that climb better. It's one of the few small advantages the C.205 has going for it, so you better learn to use it.

If you fly a C.205 and don't take fights uphill in the MAs, you're just not doing it right

[icepac]

I really like the fact that you can get close enough to a c205 with a c202 before the icon lets the c205 know he's about to get smoked.

[Rich52]

Because then everyone will spawn off these 10k fields and simply dive downhill on the most cherry-like target below them with no need for skill. Trust me, that's how every H2H room did it, that's how the TA/DA has always done it.

There's no advantage if everybody dog piles the lowest, slowest, con. However, if they all start at ground level and work up, there IS an advantage for the planes that climb better. It's one of the few small advantages the C.205 has going for it, so you better learn to use it.

If you fly a C.205 and don't take fights uphill in the MAs, you're just not doing it right

You seem to be saying two things now. Now your saying bring the 205 low and use its ROC against the hordes of Spits, Nikis, KI's, 109s, LAs, 190s, that outclimb you and mostly out turn you? Let alone the "E" fighters coming in at 450 mph of smash? From what I can see the only chance in a 205 is to come in with air under you and fly it like a 38. Unfortunatly the dynamics of the game makes it a low Alt game most of the time.

Now if a base is it 10 or 15 k, and another team wants to capture it it would be reasonable to think they cant go below 10 or 15 k to capture it. Or even vulch it. So the high altitude interceptors, like the 205, would have the advantage. Or at least be equalized more. This is a 400 mph + fighter at 20k or more.

Just seems to me any climb advantage at 5k or less is kinda negated by being a bow wow with speed and at best a marginal turner.

[Krusty]

no rich, you dont seem to get it. never mind.

[Lusche]

The 109G-2 is faster, better climbing and will fly circles around the C.205....

And yet the G-2 has an ENY of 30 while the 205 has 25.

But I stopped trying to understand the 109 series ENY values when the G-14 went from 20 to 25 instead of lowering the K-4's from 20 to 15 or even less. For now I just enjoy the easily  generated perks...