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Offline pervert

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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #75 on: May 10, 2012, 01:56:24 AM »
Not as much. Turns great, not as bad in climb rate (without ords), dives excellent. The only problem is, they can run away before the lil peashooters take effect. Still can survive long enough til the help arrives.
With 20mm cannons at least you could shoot their running arse or keep them from hoing.

I flew the stuka for a good while main problem I found in evasives was that the plane is simply so slow and turns so well that invariable it offers a side profile shot or has to go head on with an opponent which was no deterrant since it had rubbish guns  :cry these 2 big cannons might dissuade the lazy head on option for dealing with a stuka  :D

I wonder if folks haven't considered that the fact the stuka has a niche following is because it has no cannons. Putting cannons on it and flying it like a base defender or a better-gunned zeke (with a tail gun!) might be a total abuse of historic record, and instead of being fun would simply become the worst of the "lame" for players to indulge in, eh?


EDIT: Put it this way... if it can out turn anything, out stall anything, kill anything with 1 snapshot, and still have the range to go across the map and back.... Where's the bragging rights? That takes no skill.

(just food for thought)

When I flew the stuka, the trouble was that I usually ended up dogfighting in it, but only because an attacking enemy fighter usually ended making be jetison my bombs before I got to my drop height for a target  :lol that wasn't my choice btw just the nature of the MA, scooting around on the deck blasting tanks should be a good larf in this  :D
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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #76 on: May 10, 2012, 02:21:17 AM »
ju87 had 30 aircraft kills last tour and around 500 deaths.

now lets look at a previous example at what could have been...

the b26 is pretty close to the b25J in speed and defenses.

it gets used ten times more than the b25c

have you tried defending yourself in a b25c from a low 6 attack?

have you been tempted to throw your flight controls accross the room?
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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #77 on: May 10, 2012, 03:13:51 AM »
have you been tempted to throw your flight controls accross the room?

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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #78 on: May 10, 2012, 05:29:50 AM »
Cool, a new addition to the ground war, and the Ju87 is so sexy, exactly what the game needs :rolleyes:  :huh  :uhoh  :frown:
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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #79 on: May 10, 2012, 06:34:35 AM »
A tank busting Stuka variant.  This is going to be a blast!!!

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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #80 on: May 10, 2012, 06:37:40 AM »
I am waiting for my 410!  :furious
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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #81 on: May 10, 2012, 06:58:20 AM »
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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #82 on: May 10, 2012, 07:17:06 AM »
Its going to be a very close range tank buster. At most you'll get off 4 shots, "I'll be counting on two". Its projectile is much lighter then the NS-37s, at a higher velocity, and lower ROF. If it has an advantage its as a close in killer. I suspect my guns will be set to converge at 200 to 250.
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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #83 on: May 10, 2012, 08:02:58 AM »
I'm hoping for a Ki61 remodel.   :pray

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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #84 on: May 10, 2012, 08:10:41 AM »
Snail,
if i see that diagram right, from 600m and with an impact angle of 50 degrees (very poor hit) it still could penetrate a 35mm thick armor.


This remark made me review a number of films again.
I know that the most important part of my success in the Hurri D (and, to a lesser degree, the IL-2) is the fact that I'm diving steeper on my prey than the majority. Many players just fly towards the tank and shoot at whatever angle they just happen to have. Now I checked the last few films and found that most of my kills had been made at angles between 45-50 degrees only. Even for me, who is very much used to that plane & tactic, establishing angles of 60° or better (which is mandatory vs better protected tanks like the T-34) is a pain in the butt, so to speak.
So even with the (supposed) superior penetration of the BK 3,7, the best bet for the 'average' player may still be to use the real world tactic and approach the tank on the deck from rear or sides.
But with a plane as slow, big and relatively little armored as the Ju-87 flying right into enemy MG and cannon barrels, it might lead to a surprisingly high number of casualties...

I just can't wait for it!  :banana:
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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #85 on: May 10, 2012, 08:15:27 AM »
looks very nice wtg  Greebo   :aok

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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #86 on: May 10, 2012, 08:35:38 AM »
have you tried defending yourself in a b25c from a low 6 attack?

have you been tempted to throw your flight controls accross the room?


Don't throw them wait until the guy has positioned himself low & behind you then lock the plane in a climb.

Jump in the turret when you get it spun you will be looking right at the pilots head.

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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #87 on: May 10, 2012, 09:16:05 AM »
Do some research and find out what the typical angles of attack were for the Il-2, Hurricane IID, and Stuka G.  They were far more shallow than you think.  The ranges in which the guns were fired were typically INSIDE 400 yards and usually closer to 200 yards.  The window of opportunity to fire was very short, hence the desire of a few well placed shots vs spraying and praying.  Pilots were not going to dive at a 60° and sharper angle at 250+ miles per hour, fire accurately at 200-400 yards, and pull up in a safe amount of time.  Shallow dives were the name of the game.  Obviously, what was true in WWII is not in AH.    

Sounds about right.

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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #88 on: May 10, 2012, 09:41:48 AM »
HTC, Thank you so much! always something new! thank you!!!
oh boy I want to fly it soooooo badly oh man i want it!
when is the update coming out?
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Re: New Stuka
« Reply #89 on: May 10, 2012, 10:10:38 AM »
I'm getting an itchy trigger finger... :x  Raph, we HAVE to wing up together when the BK 37's are released.  We shall rain death upon them in style! :devil
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