a different ENY horse to beat

[caldera]

Surely, this has been brought up before (and yes, I am calling you Shirley  ) but some of the ENY ratings seem more than a little off.

109K-4 - 20 ENY 
Ki-84 - 20 ENY

Umm, ok. 

These two are monster planes that should probably be 10-12 ENY.


110G-2 - 10 ENY
Mosquito VI - 30 ENY

Umm, ok.  Wait... what?!

For comparison sake, the I-16 is 35 ENY and the P-40N is identical to the Mossie at 30 ENY. 

The 110 and Mossie should both be about 20 ENY.




And there you have it.  Talk amongst yourselves.

[Karnak]

Look at the usage of each.

Now, as much as I hate to say it, the Mossie should be lowered.  That 30 is a legacy of the old 338mph Mosquito.  The Bf110G-2's low 12 ENY is a legacy of its all base smash and grab days.  However, the Bf110G-2 still sees twice the usage of the Mossie and so should have a lower ENY.  Perhaps 25 for the Mossie and 15 for the Bf110G-2.

The Bf109K-4 and Ki-84 both have relatively low usage, particularly when compared to the P-51D.

[caldera]

Going by extreme over-usage, can we have the P-51D ENY at -5? 

[Pand]

In

[titanic3]

My list:

109G2 - 25.0
109G6 - 20.0
109G14 - 15.0
109K4 - 10.0
Bf110G2 - 20.0
F6F-5 - 20.0
Ki-84 - 15.0
Fw-190D - 10.0
Mosquito - 25.0
Yak-T - 30.0

[Karnak]

I'd not object to the P-51D being lowered to 2 at this point.

[Daddkev]

  Nope! 

[caldera]

I'd not object to the P-51D being lowered to 2 at this point.

Or leave it at 5 and perk any ordnance it might carry.  Or have the ENY restrictions kick in sooner. 

I know this is a tangent not intended in the original post (or a "whole nuther", as some would say), but what the hell*:

Late War Tour 148 - Top Fighters/kills in:

1.  P-51D  -  23,260 kills

2.  Spit XVI  -  12,280

3.  La-7  -  9305

The P-51D actually had 1675 more kills than the Spit XVI and La-7 combined.  This is not unusual for the plane in question.  Do some checking of your own and see for yourselves.

In

I was of course, kidding about the -5 ENY.  Do you not agree that it is overused?  Feel free to post a more substantial opinion.




* Blame it on Karnak.  He started it. 

[Lusche]

I'd not object to the P-51D being lowered to 2 at this point.

This quickly made chart could give a hint on what happened to fighter usage in the last years:



It's important to keep in mind that the P-51 kill share is almost completely (~90%) made up of kills by the P-51D alone, while the Spitfire kills are distributed over all models with the dreaded Spit 16 having only about 46% of them.

The Pony is the most widely used fighter by a huge margin, with a good K/D to boot. And more important... has anyone seen Spitfire raids taking down large fields or sinking CVs in a few moments?

[Lusche]

This chart may even better highlight the D-Pony's current standing:

[guncrasher]

Going by extreme over-usage, can we have the P-51D ENY at -5? 

shoot you can have it at zero and it still wont stop people from flying it.  at least not me.


semp

[Karnak]

shoot you can have it at zero and it still wont stop people from flying it.  at least not me.


semp

Sure it will.  I see the ENY limited at 2 and 3 pretty frequently.  It just doesn't hit 5 very often.

[MajWoody]

Lusche,
Where does the K4 fit into that chart?

[Lusche]

K4 = K/D 1.48 and usage 2.81%

[4Prop]

Going by extreme over-usage, can we have the P-51D ENY at -5? 

dont be giving torquila any ideas now..but still +1