a different ENY horse to beat

[Karnak]

Just a reminder: ENY is not only about the air-to-air capability...

No, it isn't and the Bf109K-4 is bad at it.

That said, the Mosquito Mk VI isn't all that hot at it either or it would get a lot more use.  Time to target is better in the Mossie VI than it is in the P-51D, particularly if there is any climbing involved, but its loadout just doesn't do as much damage.

[Fox]

I have always wondered why all configurations of a plane have the same ENY.  Why would the P51D with the 4 gun package and no ords have the same ENY has one fully loaded?  If the ENY changed with the configuration of the plane, it would provide more options than just eliminating a plane completely.  For example, maybe the P51D looses the 1000 lb bomb with a ENY of 1, 500 lb bomb at 5, etc, etc.  Those number are just for illustration.

[Lusche]

I have always wondered why all configurations of a plane have the same ENY.  Why would the P51D with the 4 gun package and no ords have the same ENY has one fully loaded?  If the ENY changed with the configuration of the plane, it would provide more options than just eliminating a plane completely.  For example, maybe the P51D looses the 1000 lb bomb with a ENY of 1, 500 lb bomb at 5, etc, etc.  Those number are just for illustration.

HTC once stated they were planning a perk system based on loadouts/configurations... but that was many years ago. Heaven and HT know why it didn't happen yet 

[Ruah]

eny is fine. .. if anything, it would be nice to see it strengthened and made more dynamic.  But really, if you want perks, fly a 205, if you don't care, then fly the 51s and Doras an go to 20k and run after 2 pass' - your 15 bucks to suck.

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You only need one or two rounds max for a kill with the tater. Light use? I see them all the time, not as much as the P51, but it's up there (as shown by the charts). It's fast, it climbs like a monster, and it's a one hit kill wonder (most of the time anyways  ). Hell, I love the frigging thing, but even I think 20 ENY is a bit too much. Show me a 20 ENY plane that can compete with it. I bet you you won't. P38J maybe, Ki-84 maybe. Though with those two planes, it's more of a case of pilot skill than the plane itself.

KI84  is too much for the K4 even with a great K4 stick.....

Ki84 is in the top 3 fighters ingame.


P38 is not in that list, not even close.

[Ruah]

KI84  is too much for the K4 even with a great K4 stick.....

Ki84 is in the top 3 fighters ingame.


P38 is not in that list, not even close.

shhhhhhh  

in all honesty, other then a few miles per hour in top speed, the spit 16 is stronger - but the KI is lighter and can power up a climb better (spit seems to lose e faster).  It is super fragile, prone to pilot wounds, and does not take man handling well at all.  And it has that awful front view.  But yah, it is one of the top 3 along with a Corsair (U4 is the best prop plane hands down) and the Spits.

If the opponent does not want to tangle though, the K4 can power away pretty easily - of all the late war speed monsters, the K4 has the most leeway to engage an 84, twist and turn and play the vert game, and if the jig is up, hit wep and blast away.  No other plane other then the LA7 can do that.  I suppose the point is - a KI really can't press an advantage against a careful pilot while a K4 can run basically anything down.  That is huge.

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shhhhhhh  

in all honesty, other then a few miles per hour in top speed, the spit 16 is stronger - but the KI is lighter and can power up a climb better (spit seems to lose e faster).  It is super fragile, prone to pilot wounds, and does not take man handling well at all.  And it has that awful front view.  But yah, it is one of the top 3 along with a Corsair (U4 is the best prop plane hands down) and the Spits.

If the opponent does not want to tangle though, the K4 can power away pretty easily - of all the late war speed monsters, the K4 has the most leeway to engage an 84, twist and turn and play the vert game, and if the jig is up, hit wep and blast away.  No other plane other then the LA7 can do that.  I suppose the point is - a KI really can't press an advantage against a careful pilot while a K4 can run basically anything down.  That is huge.

I agree for the most part.....Ki84.... I would take over the U4 any day.....  

believe it or not I think the Hurri2C is also in the top fighters, the only reason I stopped flying that is its too easy to get away from, at least the Ki has a better top end and climbs like a banshee...but for straight up fighting the Hurri2c is one of the deadliest planes in game.

if we ever get the 4 20mm KI.... I will never fly anything else.....and boy will the gang tards hate me even more then they already do







 

[Slash27]

It is super fragile, prone to pilot wounds, and does not take man handling well at all.  And it has that awful front view.

It's far from super fragile. The 84 will take quite a beating.

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It's far from super fragile. The 84 will take quite a beating.

I saw that he said that.... but was thinking he was talking about the 16....had to have been...like you say the KI is an extremely tough bird...even now a days after flying it as much as I have, I am surprised at how much she can Take.

she is anything but fragile.


I remember after killing 4 in a 5vs1 (the 5th ran away shot up,) I landed at my field and went into F3 view to check out the damage.... I had holes on every part of that plane..... missing more then a couple parts..blood everywhere....was quite impressed with my beautiful wonderful girl.

[Slash27]

Maybe he was talking about the Spixteen.

[Bosco123]

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Fail.

[Debrody]

Fail.

Someone said a bad word to his pony, huh?  

Btw Ink, the ki84 is excellent in your style: stay and knife fight. Awesome flaps, great roll rate at medium to very low speeds, excellent climb and aceleration up to 10k, good guns, decent ammo load, can take some beating, acceptable speed at low alts (spixes cant run away muhhaha : )  Also there arent red-white-green stripes on tis tail so some poor souls in turny aircraft wont try to escape like a rabbit...  hehe         A bit more than a year ago we had this aircraft for FSO with the KN, against F4Us and bombers... even tho if it wasnt a complete disaster, it was a fail compared to other FSOs, this plane was completely outclassed by the corsairs at 24-30k. The problem was the slow speed, the climb rate and the poor instanteous turn rate. As the frame developed and the skirmish moved to lower alts, we found some success.
My point is, its a great aircraft and is competitive with anything under 10k, but above that it isnt as powerful at all.

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Someone said a bad word to his pony, huh?   

Btw Ink, the ki84 is excellent in your style: stay and knife fight. Awesome flaps, great roll rate at medium to very low speeds, excellent climb and aceleration up to 10k, good guns, decent ammo load, can take some beating, acceptable speed at low alts (spixes cant run away muhhaha : )  Also there arent red-white-green stripes on tis tail so some poor souls in turny aircraft wont try to escape like a rabbit...  hehe         A bit more than a year ago we had this aircraft for FSO with the KN, against F4Us and bombers... even tho if it wasnt a complete, it was a fail compared to other FSOs, this plane was completely outclassed by the corsairs at 24-30k. The problem was the slow speed, the climb rate and the poor instanteous turn rate. As the frame developed and the skirmish moved to lower alts, we found some success.
My point is, its a great aircraft and is competitive with anything under 10k, but above that it isnt as powerful at all.

I forget to add..."at typical MA ALTS"   I would say it is great up to 20K certainly above 10K

 

[titanic3]

KI84  is too much for the K4 even with a great K4 stick.....

Ki84 is in the top 3 fighters ingame.


P38 is not in that list, not even close.

And that's why said it's pilot skill more than anything in a K4 vs Ki84 matchup. I've killed my share of Ki84s in a K4 and you've killed your fair share of K4s in a Ki84. At 10K+, all the K4 has to do is point it nose up and the Ki84 is done for. Under 5K, the Ki84 *should* beat the K4.

[ACE]

At 10K+, all the K4 has to do is point it nose up and the Ki84 is done for.

I disagree here.  The ki has an awesome climbrate and it depeds on the E state both planes are given.