a different ENY horse to beat

[Debrody]

It isnt about "a" p51b against "a" ki84. Its "5" p51bs against "a" ki84. Or "a" 109. Whatever.
Anyway, there are some folks i/we (Ink and me) do respect and some i dont. Pand isnt one one of the respected ones and im sure he doesnt respect me either. I wont paste my opinion here about the "we got numbers, we pwnz" skills, if you think its awesome, let it be. As for the number of the gotten kills... honestly i can piss on it. Someone can win when he holds all the cards but runs like the wind when he doesnt...
After all, the best way to cut this pointless lamentation is a squad duel, with your terms. Ink can prove himself if needed... can you?

[tunnelrat]

It isnt about "a" p51b against "a" ki84. Its "5" p51bs against "a" ki84. Or "a" 109. Whatever.

No, actually, it's a thread about ENY.  A guy who almost always flies a 15 ENY plane specifically called out a guy who almost always flies a 20 ENY plane, by name.  I simply pointed out the absurdity.

RARRRGH! SQUAD DUEL!!!

As I said before, I am not a fighter pilot.  If you want to fight a squad duel, I would just bring your boys into the MA... you can find the DD's together any night.  You can even shoot down my JU-88 and/or Ki-67 and then post about it!

It'll be a scream, see you there.

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See Rule #4

[HighTone]

Its pilot over plane every time IMO.


Fly Japanese planes , to slow to be called a runner and it will force you to fight, sometimes against numbers you can't live against.

I will agree with INK on one point, in my years of playing this game I have run into maybe only 6-8 fights with a P51 that I would actually call a fight. Most of the time a pony pilot is a one pass haul arse type. Or they call it "E" fighting. Which for a pony driver means , "if they ain't got "E" then they ain't fighting".

[Raptor05121]

So anyways, back to this ENY argument:

I'd like to see less useage of the PonyD. Not because they are gang-raping us, but because I am tried of seeing nothing but PonyD missions: CV sinking, base taking, fighter sweeping, etc, etc.

Drop its ENY down to 2 at the very least

[LCADolby]

Pand, who flies the P-51B over the P-51D the vast majority of the time?
, he "runs" for the following reasons:

1.  Pilot Wounded
2.  RTB Fuel
3.  RTB Ammo
4.  Squad Responsibilities (i.e., he runs DD fighter wing, sometimes that takes precedence)
5. Squadmate in trouble  - If, in a furball, any of the DD FS guys see/hear another one of us in trouble (and I know, because I usually am), they will disengage to help.



If you are implying that Pand is a one trick Pony

Not that long ago, he was all alone, once I climbed up to co-E with him; he kept running from my G2. The fight went like this for him;
Engage, get reversed, take a ping or three, run, repeat.
Even in the equal aircraft type he has ran from me, The nose goes down and to the nearest DD.

Actually he has 3 tricks. We can all name them without much thought; dogpile the con, pick the con, run from the con to other DDs.

By shackling his squadmates to such a restrictive doctrine he is stunting the skillset of his squad skill as a whole.
They have absolutely no individual flair and are easily killed once isolated from their group, exactly like vTards.
They are not even very good in their current BnZ state.
Picking to save a squaddie is all well and good, but has anyone of you looked back and thought why you needed to be saved in the first place?

I flew like a DD in a pony at alt and gained 10 kills in 2 sorties without the aid of any squadmates.

Stayandfightstang http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsVXFpE7-s0&feature=plcp

[tunnelrat]

See Rule #4

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Amazing.

I think we are done here.

 

typical


 I already know I am amazing.....wife tells me every time she screams out Gods name.....but thanx for reminding me

[Karnak]

I won't lie.  I run from fights at times, but I don't do so only to re-engage the guy who was chasing me once he is busy.  If it is not a ridiculous situation I'll fight.

Last time I recall running was in a Mossie VI from an F6F, but as soon as I had enough distance to turn and engage him without just handing him my six I did and as he we were both alone there was no ganging at all.  I lost, but it was a fun fight.

[tunnelrat]

typical


 I already know I am amazing.....wife tells me every time she screams out Gods name.....but thanx for reminding me

Regardless of the myriad opportunities you've left open for me to engage in the breaking of Rule #4, I have chosen to abstain.

I do not believe this behavior to be typical.

 

[Vinkman]

It might be me, but I can't remember the last time I went to take a plane and ENY limit kept me out of it. So ENY to me only effects PERKS. I have 7,000 fighter perks because I fly perk planes on extremely rare occasions.  So I guess it's kindof irrelevant to me.  

To Lusches' data, and the Pony thing. I've never had trouble killing a Pony in anything I've flown if the Pony tried to fight me. If they run they get away.
So the Noobs needs something to be safe in until they learn the ropes. I have no problem with the Pony population.
I have a bigger problem with verteran pilots, flying in packs, in single ENY digit planes.  

Perhaps what we need is PILOT ENY. As your Rank goes up, so does the ENY score of planes you can fly.
 
That would actually serve the balance, fairness, handicapping problem a lot better than applying ENY based on numbers of pilots per team.

Oh I can hear the whining just typing that.  

In all seriousness, my thoughts are only for the noobs who get discouraged. I'd like to see more players in the game. As for vets and what people fly. I all for freedom.  

[Butcher]

Vinkman the problem with that idea is veteran pilots who don't care for GV'ing or Bombing - will always have a very high rank.

Only one who will hurt from it are the pizza faces who believe rank means anything period, score tards will be screaming left and right.

Then again those are the ones who fly a Tempest and pick from 20k, so it doesn't hurt the furballers at all, except we would get access to a 262 any time

[tunnelrat]

I won't lie.  I run from fights at times, but I don't do so only to re-engage the guy who was chasing me once he is busy.  If it is not a ridiculous situation I'll fight.

Last time I recall running was in a Mossie VI from an F6F, but as soon as I had enough distance to turn and engage him without just handing him my six I did and as he we were both alone there was no ganging at all.  I lost, but it was a fun fight.

I do the exact same thing haha... if I break contact, I will return immediately once the danger has passed - with an utter disregard for the soundness of my strategy....  

It's simply attempting to choose the terms of the engagement... I have plenty of respect for those who "run"... I simply don't have the self-discipline... it's berserker rage, yank, spray, die.  It's going to take me some time to get back into the swing of things.

[Vinkman]

Vinkman the problem with that idea is veteran pilots who don't care for GV'ing or Bombing - will always have a very high rank.

Only one who will hurt from it are the pizza faces who believe rank means anything period, score tards will be screaming left and right.

Then again those are the ones who fly a Tempest and pick from 20k, so it doesn't hurt the furballers at all, except we would get access to a 262 any time

I don't want to see people be restricted from flying what they they want.

BUT... ....Rank is a funny thing because it is NOT ENY corrected.  So if player H---i flies 95% of his sorties in Tempest and racks up impressive stats, he wins over player D-----m who had a vertually identical score but did it a P-38J.

It would be interesting to see what would happen to ranks, if such a thing were implemented.  

Would rank have a significant meaning in such a system?

[ink]

It might be me, but I can't remember the last time I went to take a plane and ENY limit kept me out of it. So ENY to me only effects PERKS. I have 7,000 fighter perks because I fly perk planes on extremely rare occasions.  So I guess it's kindof irrelevant to me.  

To Lusches' data, and the Pony thing. I've never had trouble killing a Pony in anything I've flown if the Pony tried to fight me. If they run they get away.
So the Noobs needs something to be safe in until they learn the ropes. I have no problem with the Pony population.
I have a bigger problem with verteran pilots, flying in packs, in single ENY digit planes.  

Perhaps what we need is PILOT ENY. As your Rank goes up, so does the ENY score of planes you can fly.
 
That would actually serve the balance, fairness, handicapping problem a lot better than applying ENY based on numbers of pilots per team.

Oh I can hear the whining just typing that.  

In all seriousness, my thoughts are only for the noobs who get discouraged. I'd like to see more players in the game. As for vets and what people fly. I all for freedom.  

there is no way to quantify the skill of a player...rank does NOT reflect skill in anyway shape or form.....

I can only think of a couple people who were as good as the rank they had....most of the highest ranking guys(by highest I mean lowest )  are not very good fighters and would just die to anyone that actually fights.

the best way to change the ENY for the better would be a zone type ENY and take into account how many are in the air and not just on the side.

like you I cant remember the last time I had a problem flying my plane due to ENY....doesn't effect me at all.