a different ENY horse to beat

[Wiley]

BUT Picking, is not e-fighting.  Winging and "Team tactics" are excuses used by pickers to justify thier picking. I'll be clear in my support of Ink's position....

If you want to use team tactics, fine. Go find a team to use them against.

Some of us do.  It's all those other guys with the red icons.  I'm there to fight side vs side.  Why is it up to me and my squad to disperse because the other side isn't coordinating?  If the hapless 190 is the only thing for 4 sectors around, sure.  Send in a guy to kill him.  If he's at the front edge of a decent sized bardar, sorry he's to be put down ASAP so we can deal with the next threat.

By your football analogy, if someone on the defensive line gets by their blocker, is the rest of the team supposed to go, 'Yay for you!  Have a free shot at the QB!'

If you are getting up now, does that mean I have to come down? There is only so much room for us alt monkeys in aces high...  

There's PLENTY of room up high.  It's got a long, long way to go before it's crowded above the clouds...

Wiley.

[Babalonian]

K4 = K/D 1.48 and usage 2.81%

Ironicly, a bit below and a hair behind the Dora....  

[Vinkman]

What do you normally fly?  Most of my kills come from someone else trying to pick one of my squadmates that pursue them too long.

This is all relative to what each individual considers fun.  I don't agree with this... when flying as a flight of 4, we go up as a group, we come home as a group.  What makes it fun is all 4 getting home, landing kills and me going, "wow I had 3 la7's inside 200 and I still made it out of there alive, thanks for clearing my six guys, those guys were sprayin and prayin!"

To the 190 part, we wouldn't sacrifice the E of a flight of 4 to engage one 190, but we would bail out our friend if he's getting chased.  If we didn't then why have a squadron?  Just let all your friends/countrymen die, never engage unless it is 1v1, and NEVER engage a target that is shooting at another friendly.  We'd never have anything to fire at.  Yes it's a game, and we try to simulate that it's not--- it's what makes it more fun for me and others.

Regarding finding a team to go up against... this is just not feasible.  Should it be our responsibility to find 'teams' of people to play against?   How would we even know if a group of 4 baddies shows up if they're flying together or just happen to be in the area together.  We do occasionally run into a crew and it gets to be a lot of fun, but if you let your guard down, you're dead and I don't like dyin

If you are showing restaint, great. If you are using your squad of 4 to fight large furball groups and win Fantastic! If you are winging to kill that pack of TopGun guys then I'll join your squad  ;)Assessing the situation, and playing as "fair" as possible is all anyone really wants. Respect your squaddies...of course. Respect the bandit too, he's just a guy in his basement, looking for a small victory after a day of having his tailfeathers kicked by life. Not ganging him is giving him a fair chance to have a little success. 

If your not a ganger, picker, then my comments are miss-directed if they seem aimed at you

[Pand]

If you are showing restaint, great. If you are using your squad of 4 to fight large furball groups and win Fantastic! If you are winging to kill that pack of TopGun guys then I'll join your squad  ;)Assessing the situation, and playing as "fair" as possible is all anyone really wants. Respect your squaddies...of course. Respect the bandit too, he's just a guy in his basement, looking for a small victory after a day of having his tailfeathers kicked by life. Not ganging him is giving him a fair chance to have a little success. 

I can agree with that.  Most Gangbangs happen low on the deck, and 99% of the time you wont find me sacrificing my energy for someone already being tailed by the green gang.  The other 1% its to save a squadmate because the green gang isn't getting it done. 

If your not a ganger, picker, then my comments are miss-directed if they seem aimed at you

This gets into different definitions relative to the idea above. 

Is this Ganging:  If we're trying to take a base, and enemy la7's are upping and flying to town to kill troops, then I'm a ganger as I'm in to kill that plane ASAP in an effort to protect the troops and capture the base.

In a sense isn't everyone a picker?   Hasn't everyone shot a bad guy that was tailing a friendly and not actively avoiding your fire? 
Example: Friendly in trouble, dive in to save him, kill the guy who didn't see it coming (or maybe he did but refused to break off). 
Enemies call this PICKING, Friendlies call this "Thanks!"

[Butcher]

If you are showing restaint, great. If you are using your squad of 4 to fight large furball groups and win Fantastic! If you are winging to kill that pack of TopGun guys then I'll join your squad  ;)Assessing the situation, and playing as "fair" as possible is all anyone really wants. Respect your squaddies...of course. Respect the bandit too, he's just a guy in his basement, looking for a small victory after a day of having his tailfeathers kicked by life. Not ganging him is giving him a fair chance to have a little success. 

If your not a ganger, picker, then my comments are miss-directed if they seem aimed at you

Oh sureeeeee bring Top Gun into this! *Drinks another beer

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I can agree with that.  Most Gangbangs happen low on the deck, and 99% of the time you wont find me sacrificing my energy for someone already being tailed by the green gang.  The other 1% its to save a squadmate because the green gang isn't getting it done. 
This gets into different definitions relative to the idea above. 

Is this Ganging:  If we're trying to take a base, and enemy la7's are upping and flying to town to kill troops, then I'm a ganger as I'm in to kill that plane ASAP in an effort to protect the troops and capture the base.

In a sense isn't everyone a picker?   Hasn't everyone shot a bad guy that was tailing a friendly and not actively avoiding your fire? 
Example: Friendly in trouble, dive in to save him, kill the guy who didn't see it coming (or maybe he did but refused to break off). 
Enemies call this PICKING, Friendlies call this "Thanks!"

I call it interrupting my fight....feel free to NEVER dive down on a con or any amount of cons.....I am fighting...unlike you I dont need or want help fighting......

I just noticed your time line...here since 01...hmmm you would think after all this time you would have learned a thing or 2.....hell man I have only been flying since 04 off and on at that,   never flew a combat sim before that...you should take me up on my offer and put a whopping on me and put me in my place    with all that experience you should be able to kill me easy 1vs1.......


why do I think that's not what would happen..why do I think you wont even get rounds near me????...seems like you also feel that way when you cant even rise to a challenge...that's the difference between someone who actually fights and does not depend on his "squadies" to fight for him.....sad man all this time and you are this timid....in a combat GAME

funny I read your posts and you are so full of crap it is coming out your mouth.

[Butcher]

I call it interrupting my fight....feel free to NEVER dive down on a con or any amount of cons.....I am fighting...unlike you I dont need or want help fighting......

I just noticed your time line...here since 01...hmmm you would think after all this time you would have learned a thing or 2.....hell man I have only been flying since 04 off and on at that,   never flew a combat sim before that...you should take me up on my offer and put a whopping on me and put me in my place    with all that experience you should be able to kill me easy 1vs1.......


why do I think that's not what would happen..why do I think you wont even get rounds near me????...seems like you also feel that way when you cant even rise to a challenge...that's the difference between someone who actually fights and does not depend on his "squadies" to fight for him.....sad man all this time and you are this timid....in a combat GAME

funny I read your posts and you are so full of crap it is coming out your mouth.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,333517.0.html

This thread is all you need to know what gets taught in the squad, pick pick BnZ.

[Debrody]

Yups, Butcher.
Some thinks that stuff is awesome and clap their hands. Whatever you say, however you prove its wrong, you will never be able to make them to change their minds.
My career wasnt too long in here yet i had a load of experience. Both good and bad. The worst was when many are gangraping you then bragging how awesome whey are, thats why i went ballistic in that thread. I apologize. In the other hand the best was when a better pilot could beat me in my own game using nothing but skill. You know that feeling, "woah, hows that possible? plz come, show it again in the DA". And usually "that was the beginning of a beautiful friendship".
 

[Gixer]

Friendly in trouble, dive in to save him, kill the guy who didn't see it coming (or maybe he did but refused to break off). 
Enemies call this PICKING, Friendlies call this "Thanks!"

The other side of the coin and more often the case: Picker comes across 1v1 doesn't ask if the friendly needs help, swoops in and picks off the con in one of the usual uber rides and just heads off looking for next pick while thinking about the glory of having his name "landed 5 kills" and 2 seconds of message time for everyone to see.

Some players will hold off, ask if you need help and some like myself will even hold off if I see a 1v1 and unless the friendly asks for help I don't interfere. Nothing is gained by just picking off players other than respective attempt to pad your own score/stats.

Coming across the usual 3-5 cons chasing one friendly, different story generally because the guy is already calling for help before you get there.

Squads are bascially small hordes with better comms and generally play in the same style looking to see what they can overwhelm with numbers and get easy kills. Some squads I have a great raport with and enjoy going up against them for the challange, others I stay clear of as they show little or no respect and aren't worth the time.

There is far more to the game than just gunning for kills as easily as possible, once you reach that stage you'll enjoy ACM side of the game far more, and if you do that from high eny ride the rewards are even greater.

Of course some will cry back take it to DA rant rant rant, been there done that plenty. But at this point in time I might be in MA and a little respect goes a long way.


<S>...-Gixer

[caldera]

Wait... here's the overview of Usage alone:

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But keep in mind it's including all kind of kills and deaths. For air-to-air kills & deaths alone the chart should look a bit different. But then, air to air combat has an ever declining importance in this game

That graph says it all.  The proverbial "elephant in the room" that nobody seems to notice.  Probably because everyone in the room is in a P-51. 

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That graph says it all.  The proverbial "elephant in the room" that nobody seems to notice.  Probably because everyone in the room is in a P-51.  

uhhhummmmm.....I mentioned it before many times maybe even in this thread

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,333517.0.html

This thread is all you need to know what gets taught in the squad, pick pick BnZ.

I saw that then and laughed then

[Karnak]

My post from a long time ago on how I see proper BnZ:

The way I use BnZ is like a club, I pound my opponent down and down and down.  I force him to convert his altitude into E in order to dodge me, eventually he either tries to hang onto too much E or he runs out of "down" and I bleed him of the rest of his E and kill him.  You can't do that if you are not aggressive as the target will rebuild its E while you p u s s yfoot around with silly "extending".  Maintain your E advantage by not bleeding it out for low chance shots, but press the target and make him spend his E to dodge as you climb back above him only to drop back down like a hammer on his nail.  Make him bleed it out like that and soon you are rewarded with a shot that is not a low chance shot as he gets desperate and does something reckless or simply runs out of the E needed to dodge effectively.

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My post from a long time ago on how I see proper BnZ:

excellent short write up.....had a typhy jump me recently, he had about 3 or 4 K at the start after his first pass he never went more the 2K above me I think even less then that and kept at it and killed me, I immediately sent him a <S> on a job well done.....THAT was how you use E and great ACM

one of the first typhies that really fought the way it should be done....I was just about equal E with him when he got me and I may have been able to climb with him on that last pass but he made a great shot and ended my sortie.....I would much rather that kind of ending then some "friendly" come in and Pick him off me.


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for the life of me I cant remember who it was
someone I fought before and have respect for being a fighter.....

[Lusche]

That graph says it all.  The proverbial "elephant in the room" that nobody seems to notice.  Probably because everyone in the room is in a P-51. 

 

[Butcher]

excellent short write up.....had a typhy jump me recently, he had about 3 or 4 K at the start after his first pass he never went more the 2K above me I think even less then that and kept at it and killed me, I immediately sent him a <S> on a job well done.....THAT was how you use E and great ACM

one of the first typhies that really fought the way it should be done....I was just about equal E with him when he got me and I may have been able to climb with him on that last pass but he made a great shot and ended my sortie.....I would much rather that kind of ending then some "friendly" come in and Pick him off me.


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for the life of me I cant remember who it was
someone I fought before and have respect for being a fighter.....

I ran into someone last tour who did this - was in a tiffy and I was amazed when I started a rolling S, he stayed with me! I forget who it was as well, but if it wasn't for the 109 trying to hO me I would of gained the edge and shot him down - instead he got me when I took the Ho shot and lost position and gave up my 6.