Me-4210 versus P-61

[mthrockmor]

I voted for the Me-410 though I am all '2 weeked' out. Should we have them swap it to a P-61? It out excellerates and turns the P-47, awesome firepower. It will own most birds, or so I am going to brag.

Or we could just get the Me-410, or maybe another Storch. haha

Flame on!

Boo

[Karnak]

The P-61 out accelerated the P-47 in a specific circumstance, and out accelerating a P-47N isn't exactly staggering.  On WEP and at about 100ft it takes the P-47N 27 seconds to go from 150 to 250mph.  It takes the Mosquito Mk VI 25 seconds to do the same.

Also, the P-61A and P-61B, the two that fought in WWII, had a top speed of 366mph.

[bozon]

Me-410 was much more significant airplane in WWII than the P-61. It seems that at the time, many were not so impressed with the P-61, especially due to its top speed. The Wikipedia source blames the Brits for painting a comparison with the mosquito in pink colors so they would not have to give up any mosquitoes to the USAAF:

Colonel Winston Kratz, director of night fighter training in the USAAF, had organised a similar competition earlier. He said of the results "I'm absolutely sure to this day that the British were lying like troopers. I honestly believe the P-61 was not as fast as the Mosquito, which the British needed because by that time it was the one airplane that could get into Berlin and back without getting shot down. I doubt very seriously that the others knew better.

[mbailey]

Id like to see the P61 

[Ruah]

I hope that after the 410 - and the 410 will be what we get - HiTec will be kind enough to look at some early and mid war birds.  Things like the Lagg3 and the Ki43, planes that will never win any open popular vote here where more fantasy power planes are proposed.  the 61 may have seem nice, but I think there is a good reason it was used more as a night fighter, and only used as a daylight raider after there was no air opposition.  To me, all these sorts of planes cannot be truly relevant in the marginal utility choice unless the 'ords issue' is resolved - that is the fighter carrying the 2x1000pound payload.

[Karnak]

Ruah,

Keep in mind that the 410 is a Mid-War bird.  People keep talking about it as though it won the vote because it was a late war monster.

[Lusche]

  People keep talking about it as though it won the vote because it was a late war monster.

I'm suspecting many of the voters actually thought that

[Karnak]

I'm suspecting many of the voters actually thought that

Probably true.

[Tank-Ace]

Who cares? We did better in their ignorance than we would have had they been better informed.


I also wonder if we would be getting the Ju-87G if the 410 hadn't won the vote.

[Karnak]

I also wonder if we would be getting the Ju-87G if the 410 hadn't won the vote.

I'd be quite surprised if the outcome of the vote had any effect at all beyond its stated purpose.

[Tank-Ace]

IDK, Hitech might have said, "we're adding the Mk 103, you guys want to add the Ju-87's BK-37 along with it?".


I'm not saying thats what happened, just that I wouldn't faint with shock if they came out and said the 410 gave the 87-G a jump start.

[Karnak]

IDK, Hitech might have said, "we're adding the Mk 103, you guys want to add the Ju-87's BK-37 along with it?".


I'm not saying thats what happened, just that I wouldn't faint with shock if they came out and said the 410 gave the 87-G a jump start.

Doubt it as I don't see a relation.  Adding the BK37 now doesn't save any work over adding it later.

I am glad to see three new guns, MK103, BK37 and BK5, in the next version.

Out of curiosity, is there anything else that used the BK5? (Not the test on the Me262).

[Lusche]

Out of curiosity, is there anything else that used the BK5? (Not the test on the Me262).

There had been a few Ju-88 P-4 carrying the BK-5 for ground attack.

[Tank-Ace]

Would love to see the Ju-88P series. 4 BK 37's, a BK5, and even a BK-7!.

[Karnak]

I listed the Ju88P as one I wanted in a Wishlist thread wherein I got savaged by Krusty for false equivalence.