Penn State report

[redwing7]

If you have any doubt as to what to do when you realize that someone is molesting kids, then you are the biggest uplifting handsomehunk known to mankind. You call the police.

Tupac is 100% correct, that is what you would do if the kids were more important....

[lasersailor184]

"Mr. Paterno said that “I didn’t know exactly how to handle it and I was afraid to do something that might jeopardize what the university procedure was."


I made it bigger so you could read easier.

Making it bigger especially after I've already addressed it just proves that you don't have a shred of evidence to back your claim.

[Tupac]

Making it bigger especially after I've already addressed it just proves that you don't have a shred of evidence to back your claim.

The quote proves he knew exactly what was going on.

[redwing7]

See Rule #4

[kilo2]

Ladies we have derailed.

[redwing7]

Ladies we have derailed.

You're right.

Back on track, I believe the school should be sanctioned very severely. So much so that no others would dream of not immediately bringing a crime this horrible to the attention of the police.

[Butcher]

You're right.

Back on track, I believe the school should be sanctioned very severely. So much so that no others would dream of not immediately bringing a crime this horrible to the attention of the police.

Hey USC got sanctioned severely for years while I was going to school, and they simply lied a few times about reggie bush woah....BAD crime here! Penn State however, I'd forget ever having a football program again honestly if it came down to an honest punishment.

[Bodhi]

My humble opinion.

10 year death penalty for NCAA sports at Penn State and mandatory 20 million per victim.  All officials and staff that knew and did not report the crimes need to be tried in a court of law.  That would ensure that any school official thinking of not going to law enforcement in the future over a crime like this would makes sure they did the right thing.

The bottom line here is that many children were failed.  Failed by Penn State as a University, Penn State officials as responsible authority figures, and all who knew but remained silent as human beings.  For shame on all of you.

[Rash]

I don't think the football team should get the death penalty.  It does need some scholarship pulled, and maybe a bowel eligible pulled.  The lawsuits are going to crush this school.

[Bodhi]

I am not so sure Rash.  The football program's image is probably the biggest reason the rape was not reported.

[lasersailor184]

See Rule #4

[Golfer]

I can understand that quote.  He worked for the university, he didn't want to jeopardize the universities procedure.  As much a figure as Paterno was, he was still a pawn in this particular game.  Lets not forget the bigger parties at play, bigger than Paterno who had a District Attorney killed over this. This goes deeper than one old man and not calling the police which I'm not convinced a rational adult would do based on the watery thin accusation he received from the coaching equivalent of a squeaker.

If someone I barely knew came to me and said sheepishly he saw my coworker in the shower with a boy without any hard evidence and without seeing it for myself my first phone call sure as hell isn't going to be the police.  You don't exactly bounce back from an accusation like that especially in today's hair triggered litigious world and I'd be damn hard pressed to make it without a high level of confidence the information I have is credible.

Hell the world we live in today sucks in that regard.  Last Halloween I was helping my folks with their hayride and bonfire they've done for 22 years or something to that effect.  Over the course of my growing up and moving away plenty of neighbors have come and gone and the people don't know me as well as they once did if at all in some cases.  Well I was inside organizing my nieces candy at the kitchen table when a boy walks in, somewhere around 7 years old, and asked where the bathroom was.  Unfortunately there was a line of kids at all 3 bathrooms most of whom had to #2 and he just needed to #1.  No problem, we'll get you a tree.  We walked out to the barn and I pointed him at the fenceline.  I stood back in the light at the front of the barn so not only couldn't I see him but others could see me.  He comes back around and asks if I can help him take his pants off because they're stuck...

Uh oh.    Now when I was a kid this wouldn't be an issue.  Someone would help me out, they wouldn't be a pedophile and if someone saw what was going on they wouldn't call the police because "that's what you do" when someone is molesting a child.  Well...I wouldn't be molesting a child but it might look like it to some busybody stick-your-nose-in-everyone-elses-business pain in the rear individual.  All these thoughts ran through my head and I had to tell this poor kid, who really had to pee that I couldn't help him.  I passed him off to my brothers girlfriend who was headed into the house and told her to help him out.

The kid I'd never met, I'd never met his holder brother, I'd never met his his parents and for a double extra special twist they're the first black family to build a house on our road so I'd have all sorts of hell unleashed on me for helping him out if someone just happened by.  Do you think this 7 year old boys older brother is going to take kindly to an adult unbuttoning his younger brothers costume?  Good luck to me defending my "intent" on that one.  Yeah...

What really sucked is the kid came out of the house with my brothers girlfriend all excited to cook a hot dog on the fire.  I had already gone out to get one on a stick for him and just before he got to the fire his holder brother grabbed him by the hand and said "we're going" because his folks said to be back by whatever time it was.  Ugh...poor kid.  I couldn't help him and he didn't get a hot dog.  I told (and laughed) about what happened with my folks afterward but at the same time it's just sad.  It's sad that because of amazinhunks like Sandusky and all the dickheads on the Predator TV shows I couldn't help out some poor kid that couldn't unbutton his trousers.

I get how serious these accusations can be.  That's pulling the pin and throwing a hand grenade...there's no coming back.  I understand not picking up the phone when you don't have any first hand knowledge.

McQueary failed these kids.  He's the one who saw what was going on.  He's the one who wavered.  He's the one who needed motivating to tell anyone.  He's the one who told someone who isn't truly in a position to call in the authorities because he didn't see what happened.  And worst of all he's the one who gained from all this.

[grizz441]

My humble opinion.

10 year death penalty for NCAA sports at Penn State and mandatory 20 million per victim.  All officials and staff that knew and did not report the crimes need to be tried in a court of law.  That would ensure that any school official thinking of not going to law enforcement in the future over a crime like this would makes sure they did the right thing.

The bottom line here is that many children were failed.  Failed by Penn State as a University, Penn State officials as responsible authority figures, and all who knew but remained silent as human beings.  For shame on all of you.

Why not just punish those involved to the fullest extent of the law and make an example out of them?  Why punish an entire institution, town, and state as a whole that is already ailing over the tragedy?  If you want the town and university to heal, the worst thing you can do is make an entire culture walk around with a scarlet letter.  

The thing about it is, if the same group of coaches and officials were working at ANY university with a cash cow football program, this same thing would have happened.  It's not really a Penn State issue, it's a people issue.  These are the same snynapses that get people screaming to ban guns everytime some guy shoots somebody.

[VonMessa]

Tuition at Temple main is about $10,000 more a year, it's a much lower... ranked... school and it's in the ghetto in Philadelphia.

Well, not exactly...  You had better take a walk through West Philly before you stand by that statement 

On another note, performing a witch hunt on an entire institution for the actions of some of it's members is not going to solve anything, either.

Simply "because it was done at other schools" is not a valid argument by any stretch of the imagination.  If things like this are still going on, it obviously did not work.

Quashing the entire football program is certainly NOT going to help the victims deal with the emotional stress of what they endured and have to bear the burden of, for the remainder of their lives, and neither will any amount of money.

All of this focus and discussion about how punishment should be doled out, as opposed to, how the victims can be helped is truly astounding.

[Bodhi]

Why not just punish those involved to the fullest extent of the law and make an example out of them?  Why punish an entire institution, town, and state as a whole that is already ailing over the tragedy?  If you want the town and university to heal, the worst thing you can do is make an entire culture walk around with a scarlet letter.  

The thing about it is, if the same group of coaches and officials were working at ANY university with a cash cow football program, this same thing would have happened.  It's not really a Penn State issue, it's a people issue.  These are the same snynapses that get people screaming to ban guns everytime some guy shoots somebody.

What is a punishment designed to do?  It is designed to penalize those that break a law or cause irreparable harm.  It is also designed as a deterrence to show others what will happen if they should decide to break that law or follow that behavior.  That alone should answer the question of why there needs to be a severe punishment. 

Those involved (there are more than just a couple) mostly held key positions within the University.  They showed that they were more concerned about the school and image than they were with protecting the real victims here.  As such, that is a collegiate sports university culture issue that needs to be addressed.  That very culture placed money before protecting innocent children from being raped by a monster.  It is likely that there are plenty of unnamed people that are just as culpable. 

In the end, this is not just about punishing those that committed a grievous series of wrongs, it is about sending a message that says this type of behavior will not be tolerated.