Penn State report

[Golfer]

I can agree with that. ^

If you care about the program, do right.

[redwing7]

 
In the end, this is not just about punishing those that committed a grievous series of wrongs, it is about sending a message that says this type of behavior will not be tolerated.

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[Rich46yo]

Maybe the program should be spared as long as the offenders are prosecuted, all of them! And every reminder of "Joe Pa" and his little pack are wiped from Penn States history. I read the other day that part of Joe Pa's retirement package is a corp suite on the 50yrd line for his family for 20 years. This was part of the huge retirement settlement they gave him, when they knew he was going to croak, to keep him quiet. Including millions of $$ and a lot of other bennies. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8166042/report-joe-paterno-had-negotiated-exit-

And these are supposed "Adults".

[Shuffler]

I think this is a legal issue not a NCAA issue.

So ok alrighty...

NCAA has rules regarding breaking the law.

[kilo2]

What is a punishment designed to do?  It is designed to penalize those that break a law or cause irreparable harm.  It is also designed as a deterrence to show others what will happen if they should decide to break that law or follow that behavior.  That alone should answer the question of why there needs to be a severe punishment. 

Those involved (there are more than just a couple) mostly held key positions within the University.  They showed that they were more concerned about the school and image than they were with protecting the real victims here.  As such, that is a collegiate sports university culture issue that needs to be addressed.  That very culture placed money before protecting innocent children from being raped by a monster.  It is likely that there are plenty of unnamed people that are just as culpable. 

In the end, this is not just about punishing those that committed a grievous series of wrongs, it is about sending a message that says this type of behavior will not be tolerated.

The only ones who will suffer these penalties are people who had nothing to do with the crimes. The people who made the most grievous errors are either dead retired or on their way to prison.

Nothing can be gained from NCAA sanctions. Nothing. People who commit those type of crimes against children will continue to commit them because they do not care about others. We also dont punish or at least should not punish on a "likely."

[Shuffler]

So Joe Paterno admitting he didn't know what to do is tantamount to not caring about the kids?

Any knowledgeable individual would immediately go to the police. Unfortunately he was more concerned about what psu would look like.

[grizz441]

What is a punishment designed to do?  It is designed to penalize those that break a law or cause irreparable harm.  It is also designed as a deterrence to show others what will happen if they should decide to break that law or follow that behavior.  That alone should answer the question of why there needs to be a severe punishment.  

So punish those involved to the fullest extent of the law.

Those involved (there are more than just a couple) mostly held key positions within the University.  They showed that they were more concerned about the school and image than they were with protecting the real victims here.  As such, that is a collegiate sports university culture issue that needs to be addressed.  That very culture placed money before protecting innocent children from being raped by a monster.  It is likely that there are plenty of unnamed people that are just as culpable.  

I agree, but how has this entire dibocal not sent a message to the entire collegiate community already?  If this happened again tomorrow, you really think officials/coaches of another university would sit on it to protect the University?  The message has already been sent.  There's no reason to figuratively burn Penn State to the ground.  Just finish punishing every involved to the fullest extent of the law, help the victims as much as possible with football money, and start the healing process.  You do realize the 10 year sports ban on the University would kill that town right?  Do you grasp how much money and how many businesses will shut down as result?

In the end, this is not just about punishing those that committed a grievous series of wrongs, it is about sending a message that says this type of behavior will not be tolerated.

Message has already been sent.  This is about punishing those that committed serious crimes, and it is about helping the victims.

[lasersailor184]

Any knowledgeable individual would immediately go to the police. Unfortunately he was more concerned about what psu would look like.

Again, show some damned evidence that that is true.  Not one person, Freeh included, has offered any evidence that says Paterno and the administrators were more concerned about PSU's reputation than the welfare of the children.



You say that any knowledgeable individual would immediately go to the police.  But that's not what happened.  McQueary who witnessed the act didn't go to the police.  Hell, he didn't even go directly to Joe Paterno.  He called his Father and asked what to do.  His father said to go to Paterno.

Like I've repeated many times, Paterno himself didn't know what to do.  He decided to relay the little information that he was given (and McQueary admitted IN COURT to not telling Paterno everything) after the weekend was done.  But half way through the weekend Paterno decided that was wrong, and relayed the information up the chain immediately.


It's easy to say what should have been done when hindsight is 20/20 and YOU were not involved in any way, shape or form.  And it's especially easy to espouse the ramblings of a large crowd of people who haven't read one paragraph of the Freeh Report, yet are coming to judgement against the men involved.

[VonMessa]

Maybe the program should be spared as long as the offenders are prosecuted, all of them! And every reminder of "Joe Pa" and his little pack are wiped from Penn States history. I read the other day that part of Joe Pa's retirement package is a corp suite on the 50yrd line for his family for 20 years. This was part of the huge retirement settlement they gave him, when they knew he was going to croak, to keep him quiet. Including millions of $$ and a lot of other bennies. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8166042/report-joe-paterno-had-negotiated-exit-

And these are supposed "Adults".
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They look more like college kids to me...

[kilo2]

Jump to conclusion mats all around.

[grizz441]

Jump to conclusion mats all around.

[Rich46yo]

Again, show some damned evidence that that is true.  Not one person, Freeh included, has offered any evidence that says Paterno and the administrators were more concerned about PSU's reputation than the welfare of the children.

  So what do you think their motivation was? This is all pretty obvious no? Football is Big,Big money to a University. The biggest cash cow they got.

You say that any knowledgeable individual would immediately go to the police.  But that's not what happened.  McQueary who witnessed the act didn't go to the police.  Hell, he didn't even go directly to Joe Paterno.  He called his Father and asked what to do.  His father said to go to Paterno.

Thats cause he was afraid he was going to get stepped on. An assistant coach or janitor living week to week is usually a little jittery before going up against, arguably, the biggest power base in the State without thinking it over first. The Founding Fathers didnt really mean "All men are created equal" ; They just wrote it in cause it sounded good at the time. Heck, 1/2 of them owned slaves.

Like I've repeated many times, Paterno himself didn't know what to do

Oh, thats precious. Dialing 9-1-1 isnt all that difficult.

[kilo2]

You know I feel like the people crying out for more punishment are burning down the forest to cut down a few trees.

The sad part is there are people who are going to feel the effect who would have done the right thing and if they had known would have went right to the police.

[Shuffler]

Again, show some damned evidence that that is true.  Not one person, Freeh included, has offered any evidence that says Paterno and the administrators were more concerned about PSU's reputation than the welfare of the children.



You say that any knowledgeable individual would immediately go to the police.  But that's not what happened.  McQueary who witnessed the act didn't go to the police.  Hell, he didn't even go directly to Joe Paterno.  He called his Father and asked what to do.  His father said to go to Paterno.

Like I've repeated many times, Paterno himself didn't know what to do.  He decided to relay the little information that he was given (and McQueary admitted IN COURT to not telling Paterno everything) after the weekend was done.  But half way through the weekend Paterno decided that was wrong, and relayed the information up the chain immediately.


It's easy to say what should have been done when hindsight is 20/20 and YOU were not involved in any way, shape or form.  And it's especially easy to espouse the ramblings of a large crowd of people who haven't read one paragraph of the Freeh Report, yet are coming to judgement against the men involved.

Go back and read this thread... thoroghly. It has been posted over and over. Turning a blind eye like they did changes nothing.

[Bodhi]

Grizz,
I disagree with almost everything that you said with regards to the message sent having been received.  It is very obvious that many will not admit the culpability of certain iconic figures in this series of heinous crimes.  People that will still defend the behavior of iconic individuals and systems have not learned a lesson.  The only way to attempt to fix that is an extremely sever punishment.  If you feel the 10 years I suggested is too much for a punishment, how about the punishment reflect the time frame that the crimes were hushed up?  Would that be fair?

Further, as for killing the town owing to a sports program being shut down, I disagree.  The university will adjust, the money spent on NCAA sports can be spent on intramural and education related activities and the things will proceed forward.  The town will feel a ten year absence of sports, but in the end, it will survive, especially when you consider that the student numbers will remain.