Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door

[MarineUS]

The victim was not pointing at cops.... after all they did not identify themselves.

Obviously the so called cops had their guns drawn. The poor folks living in that area should shoot first and ask questions later. That is how the so called cops there do it. The folks have to defend against criminals on both sides of the badge.

Lol. The dude was a drug dealer. He opened his door up (I'm assuming at this point) thinking some dope man, or addict was at his door (more than likely). You play on that side of the world, you pay the price.

And just because they didn't identify themselves removes the fact they were officers? Yes that makes sense. I guess I'm a transgender then since I don't announce I'm a male to everyone I meet either. 

Anyone who thinks they need to pull out a gun when there is a knock on the door is better off dialing the police instead of trying to be John Wayne.

My local police dept routinely knocks without announcing.  The call it a 'knock and talk'.  Basically they knock on the door and if the knob turns they force their way in and ransack the place.  They do 80 of these a year along with 80 'garbage searches' and in return they get a nice grant that pays for one officer's salary and a sqaud car.

First off, I find this hard to believe.

"Ransack"? As in...they flip over couches, bust windows, rip out drawers onto the floor, smash televisions and computers etc.? Yeah. I call total BS on that.
They can not legally bust into your house without a warrant.
OR do you mean they just come in and look around and search? Those are two totally different things, though doing both without a warrant is illegal.

"Knock and TALK" - Sounds more like they knock on your door and ask if they can come in. Just like if you're pulled over you can deny them the right to search your vehicle unless you give them probable cause.


They're like vampires. They can't come in unless you invite them in.  (Or again; give them probable cause.)

[Shuffler]

Lol. The dude was a drug dealer. He opened his door up (I'm assuming at this point) thinking some dope man, or addict was at his door (more than likely). You play on that side of the world, you pay the price.

And just because they didn't identify themselves removes the fact they were officers? Yes that makes sense. I guess I'm a transgender then since I don't announce I'm a male to everyone I meet either. 

Anyone who thinks they need to pull out a gun when there is a knock on the door is better off dialing the police instead of trying to be John Wayne.





First off, I find this hard to believe.

"Ransack"? As in...they flip over couches, bust windows, rip out drawers onto the floor, smash televisions and computers etc.? Yeah. I call total BS on that.
They can not legally bust into your house without a warrant.
OR do you mean they just come in and look around and search? Those are two totally different things, though doing both without a warrant is illegal.

"Knock and TALK" - Sounds more like they knock on your door and ask if they can come in. Just like if you're pulled over you can deny them the right to search your vehicle unless you give them probable cause.


They're like vampires. They can't come in unless you invite them in.  (Or again; give them probable cause.)

Obviously you do not live in one of these areas in question.  You are about as disconnected from real life as I imagine a living person could be. Regardless of what the guy was..... he ended up being murdered by poorly trained cops. I do not tolerate drug dealers but this guy was just answering his door. The trigger happy cops involved could have been at anyone of your homes.

Officers that beat on a door at 1:30 in the morn in an area like the one in this story and do not ID themselves, they are destined to be shot. You have no idea if the person in that  home has been burglarized regularly, threatened, or anything else.

[MarineUS]

Lol. How did you find out so much about me?

I live in a trailer park in a small town. My neighbor is a crack head, across the street I'm pretty sure they make meth.

Hell I even mentioned (somewhere on this forum) about what happened two weeks ago (hell it might have been this thread) where the police came over and had to fire a shotgun at my neighbor because he was carrying a shotgun saying he was going to kill everyone. Would you like photos? An article? His name is Richard.

What else would you like to ASSume about me?

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There is a reason they didn't ID themselves. Ignoring that fact doesn't make your argument valid.
If it's burglarized regularly, that's an even better reason to call the police, take your girlfriend (who was there as well if you even read the report), go into the safest room in your house with your pistol and you wait.

"Was just answering his door" - with a gun pointed out of it.

Have you ever even had a weapon pointed at you? Has your life ever been milliseconds away from ending based on the actions of another person? Was he going to shoot the cops? Probably not.

Should he answer the door at 1:30AM? Probably not.

Should he answer the door at 1:30AM with a gun? If he's an idiot.

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EDIT: Give me just a minute. Gonna take some pictures to show you exactly how out of touch I am with reality.

[Rich46yo]

My local police dept routinely knocks without announcing.  The call it a 'knock and talk'.  Basically they knock on the door and if the knob turns they force their way in and ransack the place.  They do 80 of these a year along with 80 'garbage searches' and in return they get a nice grant that pays for one officer's salary and a sqaud car.

10 people will hear this today. By the end of the week it'll be 100,000. Within two weeks it'll be 1 million running around babbling it.

How can anyone dispute were descended from Apes?

[Maverick]

Seems to me that if I lived in a "bad" area or had a history of being burglarized etc etc that the prudent thing to do would be to stay behind the closed and locked door. That means not opening it and not pointing a gun at whoever decided to knock on the door at 1:30 AM. Last I heard, knocking on the door, no matter the time, was not a deadly force situation in an of itself. Had they started to knock the door down or force it open that is something else.

[MarineUS]

Obviously you do not live in one of these areas in question.

The nicest trailer in the area to the right of mine.


Where the supposed meth lab is. The man who was arrested got bailed out. His wife (who's trailer is to my left) won't let him live with her so he moved across the street.


My trailer. It's not much, but I'll be damned if I'll let someone tell me it's no place to live. My fiancee and I have come up from nothing to get where we are and as long as we continue to strive and do our best, we'll get out of this place.



The trailer where the police had to fire at my neighbor who wouldn't put the shotgun down and began pointing it at the officers.



A view to the dead end


My back yard.


The back of my trailer



The car I'm forced to drive because I can't find anyone who knows how to mold/bondo fenders.




Yes. I'm totally disconnected from reality. I live in the best suburbs of America and drive a fancy $90K sports car.

You know what's messed up? This is one of the better areas where I live. Hell I could show you photos of the areas where we built houses. The house was nice, but I wouldn't live in it. Not with knowing that every house on that street has a gang member in it. Apparently it's THEIR street and no one can walk it. You want to walk down 2nd Avenue? You better pay a toll...and that toll involves everything in your wallet.

Now. Why would anyone who lives in an area like that, open a door at 1:30 in the morning, with a gun and without calling the police?


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EDIT: Directions/locations of trailers are in relation to me looking FROM my steps, outwards.

[eagl]

Marine,

TBH the best part of your pictures was that you're driving a sensible car instead of living there but driving a $40,000 truck that makes you feel like a man.

Best part of the meth house - the guy (or his wife) is driving a truck that is worth more than the house.  That's called being "car poor" and it's a great way to get trapped in bad conditions for life.

[MarineUS]

Marine,

TBH the best part of your pictures was that you're driving a sensible car instead of living there but driving a $40,000 truck that makes you feel like a man.

Best part of the meth house - the guy (or his wife) is driving a truck that is worth more than the house.  That's called being "car poor" and it's a great way to get trapped in bad conditions for life.

Yeah. That car is on it's final leg. Needs new brakes, the o-rings are shot (I press the gas and it gives me the middle finger). The RPM goes up but the car accelerates like a turtle LOL. I've also got to check the fuel injector. The car likes to randomly shut off. Almost got us killed when we were crossing a four lane.  
No A/C (I live in south Georgia >.<), no cruise control, "manual" windows (like a boss), windshield wipers smear the water more than clear it off, exhaust leak...the list goes on.  I can't complain though. We bought the car for 500 bucks. I just wish I knew why the A/C won't work. I've tried everything.

Hell there's a guy on that place I mentioned where we built that house and he's driving a brand new charger with 24 inch rims. His house is worse than the ones you see in these pictures. It's pathetic. I'd rather live in his car than his house.


EDIT: Oh and the worst part of the car I drive (worse than no A/C and living in this humid place) is the head lights.......due to a bend in the frame they can't be adjusted. One points up, the other points off the the right. Turn the brights on and it's as if they're at almost a 90º angle outwards. Driving at night is pretty much like driving with the head lights off. If there isn't other cars going in the same direction (like on a highway) we can't go out at night. We won't be able to see.

[Tordon22]

What Eagl describes fits the bill of my hometown pretty well. High paying, blue collar jobs are very abundant.

So are people who spend way beyond their means, live in a trailer but own a truck, sports car, a boat, and whatever else they please. No savings or anything constructive for the future. Unforeseen costs wipe clean them out all the time, but no one really "gets" it.

[MarineUS]

What Eagl describes fits the bill of my hometown pretty well. High paying, blue collar jobs are very abundant.

So are people who spend way beyond their means, live in a trailer but own a truck, sports car, a boat, and whatever else they please. No savings or anything constructive for the future. Unforeseen costs wipe clean them out all the time, but no one really "gets" it.

Heck I'd beat a midget with a broken lawn chair to find me a job in this town right now. The problem is since I hurt my back with the whole Afghan thing, I can't stand for long periods of time or lift heavy objects anymore (until they find a way to fix me.....they say it's a "permanent, benign condition" ..... -_- ), and with me living in such a lowly populated area, finding a job like that is next to impossible.

[Mickthestick]

Typical cop behavior. 99% testosterone, 1% brains, on a good day... I've been saying for years that anybody who has an ambition to go into police work should be automatically disqualified from candidacy. Sure, a small minority want to protect, serve, help, etc, but a vast majority are just overgrown bullies who want the power of the badge to legitimize their abusive tendencies.

If somebody tried to beat down my door at 1 in the morning without announcing themselves, I'd be reaching for my ar-15 - as any sane, well-armed adult probably would.

[MarineUS]

If somebody tried to beat down my door at 1 in the morning without announcing themselves, I'd be reaching for my ar-15 - as any sane, well-armed adult probably would.

Someone didn't read the report.

They KNOCKED on the door. Didn't even touch the handle.

I'd be reaching for my ar-15 - as any sane, well-armed adult probably would.

And you say THEY'RE 99% testosterone. Hypocrite.

Why don't you come knock on my door and let me point a gun in your face. Tell me how awesome that is. Tell me how reasonable that sounds.

You ever had UPS knock on your door? or FedEx? They don't say "UPS!" etc. They just knock. You gonna point a gun at them too?

[eagl]

Heck I'd beat a midget with a broken lawn chair to find me a job in this town right now. The problem is since I hurt my back with the whole Afghan thing, I can't stand for long periods of time or lift heavy objects anymore (until they find a way to fix me.....they say it's a "permanent, benign condition" ..... -_- ), and with me living in such a lowly populated area, finding a job like that is next to impossible.

They give you much disability for your back?  I also may end up with "permanent benign" sort of thing, being missing one disc and the next one up herniated torn and badly degraded.  I'm ok for short periods but I'm limited to about 30 minutes of any sort of work involving lifting, bending/twisting, etc. before I'm done for the day, and it takes about an hour of stretching in the morning before I can put on my socks/shoes without pain.

Time to find an in-demand skill and job market, and switch gears...  Might need to do something temporary to get that breathing room.  I know of people who sell everything and move cities and get a cheapo bare apartment, take bus to work, etc., so they can work at a call center at minimum wage, only because they can also go to school there fairly cheap and learn a more marketable skill.  Lots of risk and very hard to do but with a disability your job options are sharply limited so you gotta have or develop a skill that is in demand somewhere.

My fallback is small computer service...  It would suck but I think I could pay the bills and maybe even open my own little company if I found the right location.  It isn't much and I sure wouldn't get rich doing it, but it's something I can do practically in my sleep either in my own business or working for someone else.

[MarineUS]

They give you much disability for your back?  I also may end up with "permanent benign" sort of thing, being missing one disc and the next one up herniated torn and badly degraded.  I'm ok for short periods but I'm limited to about 30 minutes of any sort of work involving lifting, bending/twisting, etc. before I'm done for the day, and it takes about an hour of stretching in the morning before I can put on my socks/shoes without pain.

They won't give me ANY disability. TriCare is refusing to help even though I was injured on active duty. I've got to talk to a guy at the VA next month.

That's exactly what I'm like. I'm good for a minute but once I hit about 45 minutes into it I HAVE to sit down and lean back. Grocery shopping kills me. I end up having to lean on the buggy to finish shopping with the lady. I've gained almost 40 freaking pounds because I can't PT. I'm turning into a bag nasty POS and it's ticking me off. I tried running and felt like I was going to die. Like someone had shot me in the back.

I take 1600mg (that's right 1600) of "Galise" (Some experimental drug that apparently causes big mental issues if you don't eat before you take it?? O_o ) a day. It causes Insomnia like a MFer

[eagl]

They won't give me ANY disability. TriCare is refusing to help even though I was injured on active duty. I've got to talk to a guy at the VA next month.

That's exactly what I'm like. I'm good for a minute but once I hit about 45 minutes into it I HAVE to sit down and lean back. Grocery shopping kills me. I end up having to lean on the buggy to finish shopping with the lady. I've gained almost 40 freaking pounds because I can't PT. I'm turning into a bag nasty POS and it's ticking me off. I tried running and felt like I was going to die. Like someone had shot me in the back.

I take 1600mg (that's right 1600) of "Galise" (Some experimental drug that apparently causes big mental issues if you don't eat before you take it?? O_o ) a day. It causes Insomnia like a MFer

A little motrin every morning and muscle relaxants is all that works for me.  Skelaxin works if I take it all the time and has very minimal impact on my brain function.  Flexeril is stronger but doesn't seem very effective sometimes.  Soma is very effective but makes me a total retard, impaired memory function, etc.  I can't take muscle relaxants and keep doing my job, so I take a little motrin in the morning and am very careful with my activities.

I found that an inversion table really helped get me over the hump when I got really bad while deployed.  I paid about $130 at big-5 for a padded board mounted to a hinge with 3 angled settings, since tricare won't pay for this treatment.  Twice a day I'd get on the thing and lay on it, feet attached and angled head-down.  At first I could only tolerate the 15 deg setting, but over time I could go to the steeper setting, maybe around 45 deg.  I haven't used the 60 deg setting since the 45 deg setting seemed to be fine.  I'd stretch on it for up to 20 minutes at a time, then go sit down for a while to let the pissed off muscles relax a bit in a normal posiiton.  I grew half an inch and the nerve impingement seemed to really decrease a lot, increasing my endurance and reducing the frequency of the occurrences where it was incapacitating.

Good luck working with the VA.  Remember you can always write your congressman for help.  If you have a documented injury that is keeping you from working, the rules say you should be getting some sort of disability pension and health care.  If that doesn't happen, call your congressman, the news media, and lawyer up.  It's only the entire rest of your life at stake, so why hold back?