Deputies shoot, kill man after knocking on wrong door

[Slate]

Someone didn't read the report.
They KNOCKED on the door. Didn't even touch the handle.
And you say THEY'RE 99% testosterone. Hypocrite.
Why don't you come knock on my door and let me point a gun in your face. Tell me how awesome that is. Tell me how reasonable that sounds.
You ever had UPS knock on your door? or FedEx? They don't say "UPS!" etc. They just knock. You gonna point a gun at them too?

    How do you believe the "witnesses" at the scene when cops will protect thier own.

 The Sheriff's Office said at first that the deputies had announced themselves as law enforcement before or while knocking, but retracted that statement and called it a "minor detail" that the deputies "didn't announce and identify themselves,"

    We may never know if he pointed the gun and the bullet stream looks like the door was closed or slightly open. In darkness they fired without knowing who was behind the door or how many innocents were in the line of fire.
   That minor detail was Major in this case.

[MarineUS]

A little motrin every morning and muscle relaxants is all that works for me.  Skelaxin works if I take it all the time and has very minimal impact on my brain function.  Flexeril is stronger but doesn't seem very effective sometimes.  Soma is very effective but makes me a total retard, impaired memory function, etc.  I can't take muscle relaxants and keep doing my job, so I take a little motrin in the morning and am very careful with my activities.

I found that an inversion table really helped get me over the hump when I got really bad while deployed.  I paid about $130 at big-5 for a padded board mounted to a hinge with 3 angled settings, since tricare won't pay for this treatment.  Twice a day I'd get on the thing and lay on it, feet attached and angled head-down.  At first I could only tolerate the 15 deg setting, but over time I could go to the steeper setting, maybe around 45 deg.  I haven't used the 60 deg setting since the 45 deg setting seemed to be fine.  I'd stretch on it for up to 20 minutes at a time, then go sit down for a while to let the pissed off muscles relax a bit in a normal posiiton.  I grew half an inch and the nerve impingement seemed to really decrease a lot, increasing my endurance and reducing the frequency of the occurrences where it was incapacitating.

Good luck working with the VA.  Remember you can always write your congressman for help.  If you have a documented injury that is keeping you from working, the rules say you should be getting some sort of disability pension and health care.  If that doesn't happen, call your congressman, the news media, and lawyer up.  It's only the entire rest of your life at stake, so why hold back?

The muscle relaxants did a little and they thought about putting me on Skelaxin. What's an inversion table? I guess you lay on it and it puts you upside down?

And as far as documentation I have a copy of the medical records AND a letter from the DoD acknowledging my injury lol. 

[eagl]

The muscle relaxants did a little and they thought about putting me on Skelaxin. What's an inversion table? I guess you lay on it and it puts you upside down?

And as far as documentation I have a copy of the medical records AND a letter from the DoD acknowledging my injury lol. 

The inversion table is just an incline table but instead of being permanently angled like you see inclined bench press or inclined situp equipment in the gym, it is adjustable.  The big-5 I went into had about 5 of them on display near the exercise equipment.

Something like this would work, but if possible try it out first or at least make sure it's both strong enough to support your weight, and has the right adjustments to fit you and get you to a reasonable incline angle.  http://www.amazon.com/BODY-POWER-Power-Inversion-Table/dp/B002MTPK70

The leg bar length needs to be adjustable, the foot attachment points should be adjustable to account for different foot/ankle sizes, and when adjusted for your height your entire upper body needs to be supported by the padded upper bench.  Butt needs to be up on the table part, not left hanging below it.  I have a tall upper body so my head goes a bit off the top end of my table, which is not very comfortable, but I managed to jerry-rig something that works.  But you will have to adjust the leg bar length to make it so you are balanced good on the table to make it easy to rotate the thing, otherwise you can get hurt with it flipping over one way or the other or being impossible to get back upright   It should be very close to neutral on the balance once adjusted so it doesn't require much strength to rotate.  When I balance it out that way for me, my head is just a bit too high on the bench.  So if you can test-fit one first that would be best otherwise just don't spend too much on gimmicks.  I spent an extra $20 on a heat/massage pad for mine, and I have never used that pad so it was a waste of money.

As for medication, my pain management doc said that skelaxin was the only one he would recommend for me for longer term use since it has low side effects.  The stronger ones work faster but mess with the brain too much.  There are a couple of ways to deal with back injuries...  One is to try to "fix" it (fusion, disc replacement, etc), the other is to go pure pain management which involves everything from massage therapy to drugs to lifestyle changes to electrode inplants to alter pain response.  Lots of options and I found the key is to not rush into major treatment options.  A good pain mgt doc will start with the absolute minimum treatment possible and work up from there, giving it plenty of time to work.  Yea that means longer time without relief but the aggressive treatments can really screw with you and make the rest of your life absolute and literal torture.  I think he basically said that if I can walk, I don't need to be cut...  Just his opinion but he had me try the inversion table and it worked better than shots or drugs, so...

This is probably enough thread hijack for one day

[MarineUS]

The inversion table is just an incline table but instead of being permanently angled like you see inclined bench press or inclined situp equipment in the gym, it is adjustable.  The big-5 I went into had about 5 of them on display near the exercise equipment.

Something like this would work, but if possible try it out first or at least make sure it's both strong enough to support your weight, and has the right adjustments to fit you and get you to a reasonable incline angle.  http://www.amazon.com/BODY-POWER-Power-Inversion-Table/dp/B002MTPK70

The leg bar length needs to be adjustable, the foot attachment points should be adjustable to account for different foot/ankle sizes, and when adjusted for your height your entire upper body needs to be supported by the padded upper bench.  Butt needs to be up on the table part, not left hanging below it.  I have a tall upper body so my head goes a bit off the top end of my table, which is not very comfortable, but I managed to jerry-rig something that works.  But you will have to adjust the leg bar length to make it so you are balanced good on the table to make it easy to rotate the thing, otherwise you can get hurt with it flipping over one way or the other or being impossible to get back upright   It should be very close to neutral on the balance once adjusted so it doesn't require much strength to rotate.  When I balance it out that way for me, my head is just a bit too high on the bench.  So if you can test-fit one first that would be best otherwise just don't spend too much on gimmicks.  I spent an extra $20 on a heat/massage pad for mine, and I have never used that pad so it was a waste of money.

As for medication, my pain management doc said that skelaxin was the only one he would recommend for me for longer term use since it has low side effects.  The stronger ones work faster but mess with the brain too much.  There are a couple of ways to deal with back injuries...  One is to try to "fix" it (fusion, disc replacement, etc), the other is to go pure pain management which involves everything from massage therapy to drugs to lifestyle changes to electrode inplants to alter pain response.  Lots of options and I found the key is to not rush into major treatment options.  A good pain mgt doc will start with the absolute minimum treatment possible and work up from there, giving it plenty of time to work.  Yea that means longer time without relief but the aggressive treatments can really screw with you and make the rest of your life absolute and literal torture.  I think he basically said that if I can walk, I don't need to be cut...  Just his opinion but he had me try the inversion table and it worked better than shots or drugs, so...

This is probably enough thread hijack for one day

O_o Interesting. I'll have to take a look. Thanks for the tips!

[Shuffler]

Lol. How did you find out so much about me?

I live in a trailer park in a small town. My neighbor is a crack head, across the street I'm pretty sure they make meth.

Hell I even mentioned (somewhere on this forum) about what happened two weeks ago (hell it might have been this thread) where the police came over and had to fire a shotgun at my neighbor because he was carrying a shotgun saying he was going to kill everyone. Would you like photos? An article? His name is Richard.

What else would you like to ASSume about me?

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There is a reason they didn't ID themselves. Ignoring that fact doesn't make your argument valid.
If it's burglarized regularly, that's an even better reason to call the police, take your girlfriend (who was there as well if you even read the report), go into the safest room in your house with your pistol and you wait.

"Was just answering his door" - with a gun pointed out of it.

Have you ever even had a weapon pointed at you? Has your life ever been milliseconds away from ending based on the actions of another person? Was he going to shoot the cops? Probably not.

Should he answer the door at 1:30AM? Probably not.

Should he answer the door at 1:30AM with a gun? If he's an idiot.

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EDIT: Give me just a minute. Gonna take some pictures to show you exactly how out of touch I am with reality.

Ahh so your probably a soon to be victim.


You seem to like blaming the innocent citizen instead of the criminals who instigated the murder. The officers are no better than the turd that walked into the theater.

[Shuffler]

    How do you believe the "witnesses" at the scene when cops will protect thier own.

 The Sheriff's Office said at first that the deputies had announced themselves as law enforcement before or while knocking, but retracted that statement and called it a "minor detail" that the deputies "didn't announce and identify themselves,"

    We may never know if he pointed the gun and the bullet stream looks like the door was closed or slightly open. In darkness they fired without knowing who was behind the door or how many innocents were in the line of fire.
   That minor detail was Major in this case.

They simply did not care if they shot anyone... including women and children.

[MarineUS]

Ahh so your probably a soon to be victim.


You seem to like blaming the innocent citizen instead of the criminals who instigated the murder. The officers are no better than the turd that walked into the theater.

You've obviously been brainwashed. Trying to talk to you is like arguing with a child about what is better for them between vegetables and candy.

[MarineUS]

They simply did not care if they shot anyone... including women and children.

Dude you need to lay off the YouTube and pick up a book....better yet, go on a "ride along". Talk with your local law enforcement officers, stop being a shut in.

I know only one other person who thinks the exact same way as you. You know what's hilarious? He's a guy that gets drunk nearly every night and smokes weed almost non-stop.

I'm thinking that is what's wrong with you. You've done something, at some point in time that has completely destroyed your ability to have a rational thought.

[Spork]

Dude you need to lay off the YouTube and pick up a book....better yet, go on a "ride along". Talk with your local law enforcement officers, stop being a shut in.

I know only one other person who thinks the exact same way as you. You know what's hilarious? He's a guy that gets drunk nearly every night and smokes weed almost non-stop.

I'm thinking that is what's wrong with you. You've done something, at some point in time that has completely destroyed your ability to have a rational thought.

Stop the insults and stick to the topic. Insulting someone does nothing for your credibility.

[MarineUS]

Stop the insults and stick to the topic. Insulting someone does nothing for your credibility.

At this point I don't really care (there is no credibility given to anyone on the internet anyway). After the conversation in the other thread and then predicting I'm going to be a victim, he can take his brainwashed self and go somewhere else.

If he's never been on a ride along, he has no room to talk. This is where I'm seeing him lie saying he has and that they're all a bunch of crooks.

I'm just curious as to what he's done in his life that has strewed his thought process so much.


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I've met a LOT of cops in my line of work. A lot of Marines get out of the Corps and become police officers and not a single one of them had a violent bone in their body. Heck I've got a friend who just graduated from the academy. He's what the girls would call a "teddy bear". Big guy with a big heart. Does Toys for Tots every year, donates blood, donates to the homeless, works in the soup kitchens.

And he has the audacity to say they're all crooked? That's like saying all military personnel are baby killers. I think he got stuck as a hippie in the 70's and never moved on.

[Spork]

Haven't read the other thread so I don't know what he said there and this thread is what my posting was based on. Seemed, while mildly provoked, an overkill of a response.

One last thing I'll touch on and then leave you fellas alone to your own devices:
There is credibility on the internet when you have a forum board like ours. Or any forum board for that matter. There are always certain individuals who contribute more, are more knowledgeable, will have more weight to their posts, ie credibility. If not then why put AH Trainer under certain peoples names or Aces High CM or whatever the case may be. It is to add more credibility to their post.
To let people know who are unfamiliar with this BBS, who the leaders or top contributers are.

[MarineUS]

Haven't read the other thread so I don't know what he said there and this thread is what my posting was based on. Seemed, while mildly provoked, an overkill of a response.

One last thing I'll touch on and then leave you fellas alone to your own devices:
There is credibility on the internet when you have a forum board like ours. Or any forum board for that matter. There are always certain individuals who contribute more, are more knowledgeable, will have more weight to their posts, ie credibility. If not then why put AH Trainer under certain peoples names or Aces High CM or whatever the case may be. It is to add more credibility to their post.
To let people know who are unfamiliar with this BBS, who the leaders or top contributers are.

Hehe. Guys like that help folks like me who stink at AH.

And overkill is underrated. 

[Slash27]

Typical cop behavior. 99% testosterone, 1% brains, on a good day... I've been saying for years that anybody who has an ambition to go into police work should be automatically disqualified from candidacy. Sure, a small minority want to protect, serve, help, etc, but a vast majority are just overgrown bullies who want the power of the badge to legitimize their abusive tendencies.

If somebody tried to beat down my door at 1 in the morning without announcing themselves, I'd be reaching for my ar-15 - as any sane, well-armed adult probably would.

You lost credibility at " vast majority". 

[Widewing]

You ever had UPS knock on your door? or FedEx? They don't say "UPS!" etc. They just knock. You gonna point a gun at them too?

Neither UPS nor FedEx knocks on doors at 1:30 AM....

If someone wants to talk to me, dial my home or my cell. I'll answer, even at O-dark thirty...

But, should someone come pounding on my door at that hour, I will be taking my .44 from the nightstand drawer or my 870 tactical from my closet when I go to find out who this or these idiots are. I sure as hell will not be opening the door until I have identified who they are. If I don't recognize them and they don't identify themselves, I will dial 911. Seriously, who pounds on a door at that time of the morning?  I have an L shaped house, which means I have multiple windows overlooking the front porch and door. I also have motion sensing halogens up high, aimed at the porch (the whole property is covered by these lights). So, anyone walking on my property will trigger enough lights to make them think they're on second base during a night game.

Anyway, opening the door with or without a firearm is just plain stupid... Stay inside. Turn on any outside lights. Do not turn on lights inside. If you're suspicious, call the police. But, never open the door when you don't know who or what is on the other side, especially at that hour of the night. You must assume those outside are bad guys until proven otherwise.

[Shuffler]

Dude you need to lay off the YouTube and pick up a book....better yet, go on a "ride along". Talk with your local law enforcement officers, stop being a shut in.

I know only one other person who thinks the exact same way as you. You know what's hilarious? He's a guy that gets drunk nearly every night and smokes weed almost non-stop.

I'm thinking that is what's wrong with you. You've done something, at some point in time that has completely destroyed your ability to have a rational thought.

Actually I simply laugh at gung ho folks like yourself who think that a badge means a person is right all the time. I laugh but hope you never are in a posistion to harm innocent folks.


For your information I have many friends in law enforcement. I work closely with the officers in our area. We actually have quarterly meetings regarding any security issues in the area.