Colorado Gun Demand Jumps 41%

[TheAssi]

As long as "youth" mobs are in #'s greater than a clip can hold, I see no reason to limit clip capacity. 

Still, I would prefer and own smaller, more reliable clips.  To each his own, imo.

[Melvin]

lambo on the other hand los angeles has a very high rate of gun ownership.  there's also a high rate of murders.  so my guess is that kenesaw's death rate is not related to the mandatory ownership of guns.

So what is your guess semp?

I have a feeling I know what it is, I just want to see you spell it out for us.

 

[Mickthestick]

lambo on the other hand los angeles has a very high rate of gun ownership.  there's also a high rate of murders.  so my guess is that kenesaw's death rate is not related to the mandatory ownership of guns.

Very high (50-60%) and 100% are two very very different things. In the first scenario, breaking into a home is a gamble, in the other, it's almost a guaranteed shootout... Plus, Kenesaw is a small city, where as LA is a massive metropolis with an extremely culturally, educationally and economically diverse population.

In small communities consisting of more or less similar, like-minded people, a gun in every home most likely makes a huge difference when it comes to criminal activity. It's one of the salient characteristics of the town, and everyone, including prospective criminals, are well aware of the dangers of trying to rob a house.

In a place like LA, I doubt that criminals think too much about the rate of gun ownership before breaking into a home. And in the gang territories, where I once had the pleasure of living, it's no deterrent at all. Somehow I doubt there are many Bloods or Crips running around Kenesaw looking to make a reputation.

[guncrasher]

Those stats are so arbitrary and taken out of context that they are laughable.

How do they look, percentage-wise when based upon population difference or against total murders?

I'm sure there are plenty of other homicides in the UK from others methods.

The only difference in man's capacity to murder other men is the tools that they use, not the motivation.

vonmessa neither was using that town as a proof that if everybody had a gun then crime rate would go down.  crime rate wont go down untill it happens like in switzerland where the population has a job and hope and basically not just sit around waiting for something to happen like we do here in the usa.  we are far from being a messed up country but I believe there's a lot of things we can improve.  beginning with out own thinking that if we wait long enough we'll be ok.


semp

[nrshida]

we had 9000 murders in the usa while england had 39.

In my opinion, it is the cultural variables which account for this disproportional difference.

[danny76]

Europe is not free.  Countries like England and Germany will jail you for using defamitory speech.  This is not freedom.

Actually it's fairly hard to get jailed in UK for anything,

burglary "he's from a broken home" 6 month supervision order

burglary and 150 TIC's "he's got a drug habit to support" 6 month supervision order to run concurrent with first

Steal a car, run from the police, crash it, resist arrest CPS throw it out for Insuff Evidence despite 3 video cars filming the whole thing.

70 year old lady refuses to fill in polling card : 1 month in jail

Speeding on open road on motorcycle : 12 months in jail

The Public Order Act 1986 covers some freedom of speech. In as much as it makes it an offense to be threatening, abusive or insultive to use words or display slogans etc liable to cause harassment, alarm or distress.

Freedom of speech is unaffected un til you start speaking like a dick, loudly, and in public.

[RTHolmes]

In small communities consisting of more or less similar, like-minded people, a gun in every home most likely makes a huge difference when it comes to criminal activity. It's one of the salient characteristics of the town, and everyone, including prospective criminals, are well aware of the dangers of trying to rob a house.

I suspect the low crime rates come from the fact that they are small communities of similar, like-minded people who all know each other, and that the gun ownership is almost irrelevant in these cases. you see the same effect in countries with very low gun ownership.

[4Prop]

See Rule #4

[TheAssi]

yes but of the 9000, how many WEREN'T involved with the jungle bunnies and their little game of tribal warfare? I've heard that in CA theres 1 gang member in 3 people.

most of those would resemble "guns obtained illegally" and therefore I dont think they qualify for the argument.

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[4Prop]

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truth is iffy to post.

haha, i saw it already.

they are included in it. I'm just saying of those 9000, how many were motivated by something other then "he gew up on that side of the concrete"
how many were what you might call "white collar murder" such as robbery gone bad or shooting someone over an argument

[guncrasher]

So what is your guess semp?

I have a feeling I know what it is, I just want to see you spell it out for us.

 

it was to the fact that crime rate in the city was low to begin with.  guns or lack of  had nothing to do with it.

I am 47 years old and nobody has ever broken into my house.  and since I got my 2 guns about 15 years ago nobody has broken into my house either.  so I guess the reason nobody has broken into my house is because I have guns there. even though i spend 1/2 the day WORKING and my house is empty.  just like the people in Kenesaw, unless you expect me to believe that there's somebody in every house with a gun in Kenesa 24/7 just in case somebody tries to commit a crime.

I own guns and I am for the second amendment, but I am not naive to think that the reason Kenesa has a low crime rate is due to gun ownership.  It is due to attitude in their little town.  everybody knows everybody and try to do what's right.  that is the true reason why Kenesa has a low crime rate, which it already had BEFORE they passed the law requiring  everybody to own guns.  and just in case you missed it, not everybody in Kenesa owns a gun, there's lots of people that due to different circumstances arent allowed or wont get one and guess what their crime rate isnt higher than in those homes that own guns.

semp

[Vulcan]

Those stats are so arbitrary and taken out of context that they are laughable.

How do they look, percentage-wise when based upon population difference or against total murders?

I'm sure there are plenty of other homicides in the UK from others methods.

The only difference in man's capacity to murder other men is the tools that they use, not the motivation.

I really don't see the point in comparing other countries stats with the USA - you're comparing apples with oranges. The simple fact is that firearm crime and firearm homicide rates in the US are high compared to other countries - but no law is going to be able to correct this given the amount of firearms (illegal and legal). It's a part of the culture.

[lambo31]

it was to the fact that crime rate in the city was low to begin with.  guns or lack of  had nothing to do with it.

I am 47 years old and nobody has ever broken into my house.  and since I got my 2 guns about 15 years ago nobody has broken into my house either.  so I guess the reason nobody has broken into my house is because I have guns there. even though i spend 1/2 the day WORKING and my house is empty.  just like the people in Kenesaw, unless you expect me to believe that there's somebody in every house with a gun in Kenesa 24/7 just in case somebody tries to commit a crime.

I own guns and I am for the second amendment, but I am not naive to think that the reason Kenesa has a low crime rate is due to gun ownership.  It is due to attitude in their little town.  everybody knows everybody and try to do what's right.  that is the true reason why Kenesa has a low crime rate, which it already had BEFORE they passed the law requiring  everybody to own guns.  and just in case you missed it, not everybody in Kenesa owns a gun, there's lots of people that due to different circumstances arent allowed or wont get one and guess what their crime rate isnt higher than in those homes that own guns.

semp

I see your point Semp. It goes back to the saying " Guns don't kill people, people kill people".


Lambo

[oboe]

yes but of the 9000, how many WEREN'T involved with the jungle bunnies and their little game of tribal warfare? I've heard that in CA theres 1 gang member in 3 people.

most of those would resemble "guns obtained illegally" and therefore I dont think they qualify for the argument.

That racial slur is so far over the line I hardly know what to say, except that there should be no place on this board for such insulting and derogatory terms.

I *think* its possible to have a discussion of race and violence if we stick to facts and avoid generalizations.   I also think its OK to say "Blacks" or African American.   But your choice of terms here is completely unacceptable.   

 

[Shuffler]

vonmessa neither was using that town as a proof that if everybody had a gun then crime rate would go down.  crime rate wont go down untill it happens like in switzerland where the population has a job and hope and basically not just sit around waiting for something to happen like we do here in the usa.  we are far from being a messed up country but I believe there's a lot of things we can improve.  beginning with out own thinking that if we wait long enough we'll be ok.


semp

Many here are jobless by choice. They make their living off of the working folks.

I was talking to a girl at the chevy house yesterday. She works there. She was telling me about an uncle of hers that never gets invited to family gatherings because he makes his living off sueing folks. No one in the family visits him or invites him over. 

Many others just like living off the working class.... the ones we call "on the dole".

I doubt more jobs would affect roberies much.