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Re: @Ink - and other sword enthusiasts...
« Reply #45 on: July 27, 2012, 06:59:54 PM »
I was always under the impression the cutting edge of the Katana....was about 8 - 10 inches from the tip, but each sword has its own "sweet spot"

also as far as I knew the Katana was much better for cutting.....while the western swords are better for chopping...and stabbing....


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Re: @Ink - and other sword enthusiasts...
« Reply #46 on: July 27, 2012, 09:10:58 PM »
The Katana is a superior cutting sword and arguably the finest cavalry sabre ever created. However, its superior cutting ability is not a result of the slight curve of the blade, but of the differential hardening of the blade. Differential hardening isn't a uniquely Japanese technique nor even actually Japanese in origin. The technique spread to Japan from China, where it had been developed and was already in steady use. The same technique either developed independently or was spread via trade routes in many cultures around the world as a method of solving the universal problem of unhardened steel being too soft to hold an edge well and hardened steel being too brittle to make a whole sword from.

A differentially hardened blade has a very hard edge and a softer, springier spine. That hard edge takes and holds an edge very, very well, and the softer spine soaks up the shock that might otherwise break that hard edge. However, differentially hardened blades are more likely to take a set in a bad cut, more likely to suffer fatal edge chips and cracks when striking hard objects like metal armor and may break quite a bit more easily than a spring tempered blade of similar dimensions. However, the Japanese did not have much in the way of metal armor to contend with.

A spring tempered blade is better if you're going to do a lot of blade-on-blade work, parries, static blocks, etc. and you do not want the sword to suffer from lateral torque. It will flex and return to true when put under stress, neither taking a set easily or breaking easily. If pushed too far it can and will take a set, but is still likely not to break until really pushed hard. It can be returned to true simply by back flexing it. The downside to this resiliency is that it generally will not take or keep as keen an edge as a differentially hardened sword. It may also exhibit a lot more blade wobble in use, but if you are aware of the blade's center of percussion (sweet spot) and utilize it accordingly this is not an issue.

It's a matter of trade offs. The Japanese considered a differential hardened blade to be the superior method, while the Europeans felt that a through-hardened and spring tempered blade was more reliable. Both were right, for their respective cultures and fighting styles. The natural-resource poor Japanese didn't have much metal armor so a superior cutting sword made sense against cloth and leather armor. The Europeans developed and used increasingly advanced metal armor so a sword with a brittle blade didn't make much sense to them. It's not like you can cut trough metal anyway.
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Re: @Ink - and other sword enthusiasts...
« Reply #47 on: July 27, 2012, 09:37:23 PM »
Anyways... This historically accurate clip shows that nobody wins:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bGmCP3Hag
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Re: @Ink - and other sword enthusiasts...
« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2012, 01:03:16 AM »
http://www.darksword-armory.com/

This is a Canadian company that will build you anything you want.  They make custom Japanese swords and use the proper techniques etc for making folded swords.   Their "retail" swords in the 500-1000$ range are rated VERY highly from sword reviewers, you should check out that site.

As for the BEST swords available IMO, at least for Japanese swords, you can't go wrong with www.bugei.com .  James Williams is THE authority when it comes to Japanese sword and knife fighting in North America, do a little reading through the site and check out the videos.  He also has created what is also the best combat knife for edge weapon fighting in this day in age, CRKT makes a fairly inexpensive copy as well as a folder now as well if you're interested in that sort of thing.

Bugei and Paul Chen work together quite a bit, and have had many joint projects.  However, no other company outside of Japan that I know can build a true folded sword like they can.  It'll cost you as well, a good friend of mine in the private security biz collects mainly WW2 Japanese officers and NCO blades, and he purchased a "folded" blade from Bugei.  It had a 14" Tuska/handle which was all the rage a while back, while most of his WW2 blades had the standard 11" or so tsuka/handle.  This  sword Bugei manufactured for him cost nearly 10,000$ Canadian, but it was well, WELL worth it after inspecting it.  In Japan the best of the best sword makers only make the proper steel for folding once a year, it is very hard for foreigners to get a hold of any of this material, but due to James Williams relationship with the Japanese Bugei for a time had access to this stuff, and that is what they constructed the  blades from I was told.

Check it out, as others have said in this thread, VERY cool stuff.  I have a blast checking out all the battle ready stuff available now, particularly the medieval stuff now that Game of Thrones is such a hit, haha.
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Re: @Ink - and other sword enthusiasts...
« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2012, 01:56:59 AM »
Nice one GMan, agree Bugei make some beautiful stuff, would love to own one of theirs one day.

The darksword stuff looks great too, fittings look good, thanks for mentioning them :)

A WW2 blade is also on my list, but way in the future I think.

If you can find this TV program : "Samurai Sword The Making Of A Legend" from 2008, it's a great watch, takes you all the way through from the smelting of the Tamahagane iron through forging to final 

polishing by hand, I love to see tradition like this.
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Re: @Ink - and other sword enthusiasts...
« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2012, 02:00:19 AM »
that's an impressive display of skill in the video, and a very good looking piece of craftsmanship.

if i can make one thing to that level of perfection in my life, i will be satisfied.

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Re: @Ink - and other sword enthusiasts...
« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2012, 04:06:09 AM »
Anyways... This historically accurate clip shows that nobody wins:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bGmCP3Hag


Historically Accurate? Are you actually being serious posting this clip?


GScholz, regardless of the sincerity of your typing, and even though you think you know what you're talking about, I suggest you restrict your discussion and refrain from discussing the Japanese sabre completely. With each subsequent post you further demonstrate your lack of understanding and misassumptions.

Your grasp of the topic is bookish and childish at best and frankly you do not even understand the first and most basic difference between a straight and curved edge.




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Re: @Ink - and other sword enthusiasts...
« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2012, 08:30:02 AM »

Historically Accurate? Are you actually being serious posting this clip?

Obviously it was in jest. The rest of your post is just a continuation of your other personal attacks in this thread and doesn't bear repeating.
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Re: @Ink - and other sword enthusiasts...
« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2012, 08:40:00 AM »
that's an impressive display of skill in the video, and a very good looking piece of craftsmanship.

if i can make one thing to that level of perfection in my life, i will be satisfied.

My thoughts ran along similar lines watching that.
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Re: @Ink - and other sword enthusiasts...
« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2012, 08:46:46 AM »
http://www.darksword-armory.com/

This is a Canadian company that will build you anything you want.  They make custom Japanese swords and use the proper techniques etc for making folded swords.   Their "retail" swords in the 500-1000$ range are rated VERY highly from sword reviewers, you should check out that site.

Nice! Thank you!  :aok
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Re: @Ink - and other sword enthusiasts...
« Reply #55 on: July 28, 2012, 08:48:05 AM »
Obviously it was in jest. The rest of your post is just a continuation of your other personal attacks in this thread and doesn't bear repeating.

It's not a personal attack but a professional criticism of your mini lectures, which are inaccurate, misleading and misinformed. Nice ploy though.




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