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Offline Raphael

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Re: 87G
« Reply #60 on: August 12, 2012, 06:16:58 PM »
It was actually a nicely done video. But it was a Sherman you killed not a T-34 or tougher. Ive killed Shermans with a Yak-9T. Ive even killed T-34s with them. BTW it wasnt a clean kill of the Sherman. Maybe you smoked it, Maybe. But you didnt kill it.

But hey, you made a nice video.



 Rich, read what I've wroten, it is the LAST post in that thread, and yes it was a clean kill. if you want the ahf for that too I can send, I just cut the youtube video in that part because the tank disapears instead of exploding and thast is not interesting visually. look at the FILM on the last post... the T34 kill.

 PLEASE read what the person writes in the posts, PLEASE it is disrespectfull to respond without reading what the other person wrote. DOWNLOAD the .ahf on the LAST post in that Thread I posted the link. look at 8:00 minutes of the video, there is the T34 kill, I'm not talkin' about sherman.
 If only they let us post films in this thread you would have watched it already

EDIT: Here, to make it easier for ya bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=337589.0;attach=15791
Move the mouse cursor to this thing I just posted, and with the left mouse button, click on it. When asked, select "Download" and then play the .ahf file with your Aces High film viewer.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2012, 06:35:21 PM by Raphael »
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Re: 87G
« Reply #61 on: August 12, 2012, 06:24:54 PM »
Please start reading what people type before responding... I've made the same mistake once in this forums and the result was real bad.
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Re: 87G
« Reply #62 on: August 13, 2012, 03:03:59 PM »
can stuka 37mm kill tiger or tiger2 from side shots?

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Re: 87G
« Reply #63 on: August 13, 2012, 03:33:00 PM »
What you showed on your video was not a clean kill. I saw a good hit on the turret top and a piece of metal come off. I didnt see anything blow up and/or no kill message. If you say it actually was, but just wasnt shown on the video, then I'll believe you. But what I saw wasnt.

Im not going to download nothing. Killing Shermans isnt the topic at hand anyway. Killing T34s and tougher is. And I know the plane can do it, my point being it doesnt do it well enough to be accurate to history.

Who knows? Maybe its a bit better after that "increased damage but not penetration" thingy. But since I stopped flying it I wouldnt know.
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Re: 87G
« Reply #64 on: August 13, 2012, 03:38:57 PM »
but rich, I didn't want to show you the sherman kill :( what I posted last is what I wanted to show the whole time! read!! the t34! because I see that your point is "not well enough to be accurate to history" but if a kill in a t34 with 2 shots isn't powerfull enough what would be? a single round?
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Re: 87G
« Reply #65 on: August 13, 2012, 05:50:21 PM »
You should read the book about Rudel, with pictures , some air pictures showing a graveyard of t34s  smoking/burning.
ISBN 0-88740-252-6
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Re: 87G
« Reply #66 on: August 14, 2012, 07:27:28 AM »
?

Im waiting.

Look up the 1946\1947 'Doctors Trials' at Nuremberg. Several Luftwaffe doctors and medical personnel were convicted of war crimes over human experimentation at concentration and POW camps.

 I'll spare the forum the grizzly details.

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Re: 87G
« Reply #67 on: August 14, 2012, 07:42:58 AM »
You should read the book about Rudel, with pictures , some air pictures showing a graveyard of t34s  smoking/burning.
ISBN 0-88740-252-6


It appears that that is just a newer version of Rudel's autobiography.

Once you've read it, you should sit and consider how much of it is true.

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Re: 87G
« Reply #68 on: August 14, 2012, 08:14:35 AM »
Look up the 1946\1947 'Doctors Trials' at Nuremberg. Several Luftwaffe doctors and medical personnel were convicted of war crimes over human experimentation at concentration and POW camps.

 I'll spare the forum the grizzly details.


Now, now, he did ask, after all.

Hermann Becker-Freysang, Captain (Stabsarzt) in the Luftwaffe's medical service.  He was interested in the effects of salt water on healthy people, so he force-fed or injected it into 50 Dachau inmates to see what would happen.  Biopsied their livers without anesthetic.  All of them died.  He wrote a paper about it.

Gerhard Rose, Brigadier General (Generalarzt) in the Luftwaffe.  He gave 1200 Dachau inmates malaria, but hey, almost 800 of them lived!

Oskar Schroeder, Colonel? (Generaloberstabsarzt) of the Luftwaffe medical service.  He and Dr. Rose thought it would be interesting to give inmates typhus, in nicely controlled experiments where some of them were given what might have been an antidote.  Many of them lived, too!

Georg August Weltz, Lt. Colonel? (Oberfeldarzt) of the Lutfwaffe medical service, was actually acquitted.  The others received sentences much shorter than their experimental subjects got.

I also count one "consulting physician to the Luftwaffe," two staff members of the Department for Aviation Medicine at the German Experimental Institute for Aviation, and one from the Institute for Aviation Medicine, if that was different.  Not Luftwaffe officers, you understand.

You can see how all of these experiments were closely related to Luftwaffe concerns (oddly enough, the high-altitude experiments where inmates were depressurized until they died were conducted by other, perhaps more serious doctors).

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Re: 87G
« Reply #69 on: August 14, 2012, 03:54:46 PM »
I thank you for providing several of those names. It was my understanding that the Doctors involved were either SS or "consulting Doctors" for the Luftwaffe.

Dont know how this thread turned into this but all I did was ask for the names. It appears there were a few.

Yaknow I dont even remember defending the morality of the Luftwaffe. I just said they were pretty good at counting. Even Nazis could count. And even if you dont agree with Rudels honor its hard to deny he had it.
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Re: 87G
« Reply #70 on: August 14, 2012, 07:18:07 PM »
can stuka 37mm kill tiger or tiger2 from side shots?
From side shots you can easly track them but kill.. I don't think so. It would take several passes and wouldn't be worth all the ammo, I think trying a higher angle would be better...


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Re: 87G
« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2012, 03:49:20 AM »
From side shots you can easly track them but kill.. I don't think so. It would take several passes and wouldn't be worth all the ammo, I think trying a higher angle would be better...


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Oh BS. Who in this game has even tracked a T-2 in an IL2? Let alone an 87G.
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Re: 87G
« Reply #72 on: August 15, 2012, 08:27:52 PM »
Oh BS. Who in this game has even tracked a T-2 in an IL2? Let alone an 87G.

I've tracked Königstigers before with a 109K, dude. I've also been tracked before.


Tracks aren't some super round-absorbing sponge. Hit them enough, and they'll break.
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Re: 87G
« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2012, 08:53:10 PM »
Were Ju87Gs active in the first year of the Great Patriotic War?  If not, then the Soviet difficulties of tracking things in that year are moot for the purposes of discounting their having any idea what they lost to what.

No, the first flight of the G series was in 1943 and only a handful of G-1s took part in the Battle of Kursk along side with a number of D-3s upgunned with the 37mm Flak 18 cannons.

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Re: 87G
« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2012, 10:32:13 PM »
I've tracked Königstigers before with a 109K, dude. I've also been tracked before.


Tracks aren't some super round-absorbing sponge. Hit them enough, and they'll break.
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