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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #120 on: September 25, 2012, 07:00:08 PM »
The US dominated the inland waters.

This would have change if the war had continued:
HMS St. Lawrence: When the war broke out, the largest British warship on the Great Lakes was the Royal George, a 22-gun brig. Two years later, the Royal Navy had launched HMS St. Lawrence, pierced for 104 guns and nearly as large as HMS Victory, Admiral Nelson's flagship. An even larger warship, HMS Canada, was on the stocks at Kingston.

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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #121 on: September 25, 2012, 07:20:02 PM »
I cant help but to feel proud. Our Navy truely dominated the Brittish navy.  The USA was blessed from birth. #1 from day one. Thank God for blessing America.

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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #122 on: September 25, 2012, 07:21:10 PM »
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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #123 on: September 25, 2012, 07:43:36 PM »
The USA was blessed from birth. #1 from day one. Thank God for blessing America.

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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #124 on: September 25, 2012, 07:47:29 PM »
I cant help but to feel proud. Our Navy truely dominated the Brittish navy.  The USA was blessed from birth. #1 from day one. Thank God for blessing America.

Might want to ask those that survived the Happy Times off the American East coast how great the USN was.

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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #125 on: September 25, 2012, 08:56:11 PM »
It's interesting how the Trent Affair of 1861 nearly brought the U.S. and Britain to blows... Both realized that war between these two nations would benefit neither. England would surely lose Canada. International trade would be in great jeopardy for the U.S. due to England having a much larger blue water navy. Moreover, such a war would draw much manpower and treasure from forcing the Confederate states back into the union. Still, the north fought that war with one arm behind its back. Had a war developed between England and the United States, the full industrial power of the nation combined with an overwhelming national will would have had a huge effect. It's important to note that the U.S. would dominate coastal waters and the St. Lawrence. In addition, we must consider that France was flexing its muscle in Mexico at that same time, and that was yet another distraction that the U.S. wanted to avoid.

By 1865, the U.S. Navy had 471 combat ships in service, and fully 1/3 were riverine vessels. The huge Union ironclad fleet was extremely formidable, and no nation on earth could successfully challenge it in its home waters. Then there was the Pacific, where Britain would be more hard pressed to project power very far beyond their colonial holdings. To engage the U.S. Navy successfully, Royal Navy assets would have to be drawn from Britain's many world-wide commitments, something England was not especially interested in having to do. In 1861, with the prospect of a long, expensive war, and the loss of considerable trade revenue for each nation, both wisely sought to settle things diplomatically, which they did. By late 1862, British intervention on behalf of the Confederacy was impossible. Once the American Civil War became a war to end slavery, there was too much to lose and little to be gained by England by throwing in with the southern rebellion. After the Emancipation Proclamation, if the Confederacy was to become a recognized independent nation, it would have to do so without outside help.

This point in time, I think, was the where Britain's naval power began to shrink in power relative to that of the United States. Still, it would take more than 30 years for the U.S. Navy to have the sea power required to thwart European influence in the western hemisphere.

As to the War of 1812, the U.S. Navy possessed the best Frigates on the planet, with excellent commanders and crews. However, the sheer size of the Royal Navy was such that in anything resembling fleet actions, the Brits could handily overwhelm with numbers, if not in technology or individual ship quality. Ultimately, the U.S. Navy would have to fight a war of commerce raiding, using their superior Frigates to chew up British merchant shipping and drawing much of the Royal Navy's combat assets into guarding shipping and pursuing the very fast and powerful Frigates. Lacking anything near the power to challenge the Royal Navy nose to nose, it would become the naval equivalent of guerrilla warfare. A persistent and troublesome problem for the Royal Navy, but not something that would prevent the Brits from going anywhere they wanted when they gathered adequate forces.
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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #126 on: September 26, 2012, 12:24:41 AM »
I dont deny that many many years ago some other country was world power #1 and I dont deny that in a far far away future some other country could be #1.. There is no need for jealousy. And I'm not sorry that I feel proud of my country. God bless America.

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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #127 on: September 26, 2012, 12:46:58 AM »
Bill Murray said it best when talking about America.

"WE ARE AMERICANS... DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS..... OUR FOREFATHERS... WERE KICKED OUT... OF EVERY DECENT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD"
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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #128 on: September 26, 2012, 12:47:58 AM »
Bill Murray said it best when talking about America.

"WE ARE AMERICANS... DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS..... OUR FOREFATHERS... WERE KICKED OUT... OF EVERY DECENT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD"


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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #129 on: September 26, 2012, 12:54:03 AM »
I dont deny that many many years ago some other country was world power #1 and I dont deny that in a far far away future some other country could be #1.. There is no need for jealousy. And I'm not sorry that I feel proud of my country. God bless America.

The bigger they are they bigger the fall. Just look at the old CCCP. It is not that far in the future with regards to China.

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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #130 on: September 26, 2012, 01:41:30 AM »
I'm an English Ex-Patriot. But point taken Nathan.

Australia is very similar to the United States in origin, in fact, almost identical.

The United States was originally settled by the Spanish in Florida and the French in the Great Lakes. With Britain being represented by Sir Walter Reilly, who colonized Virginia, Virginia being named after HRH Queen Elizabeth I or "The Virgin Queen".

Being under colonial law instead of English Homeland law, Puritans migrated to escape persecution by the Anglican church which was the ruling religious body in Britain at the time. After realizing that America, like Australia, had large amounts of space and arable land, The Government of Britain decided that America should be used as a penal colony. Between 1610 and 1776 over 50,000 British convicts were "transported" to the Americas. As well as many migrants attracted by the exotic new riches the American continent provided.

Australia's history is almost identical..
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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #131 on: September 26, 2012, 07:30:30 AM »
Bill Murray said it best when talking about America.

"WE ARE AMERICANS... DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS..... OUR FOREFATHERS... WERE KICKED OUT... OF EVERY DECENT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD"

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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #132 on: September 26, 2012, 07:36:05 AM »
I'm an English Ex-Patriot. But point taken Nathan.

Australia is very similar to the United States in origin, in fact, almost identical.

The United States was originally settled by the Spanish in Florida and the French in the Great Lakes. With Britain being represented by Sir Walter Reilly, who colonized Virginia, Virginia being named after HRH Queen Elizabeth I or "The Virgin Queen".

Being under colonial law instead of English Homeland law, Puritans migrated to escape persecution by the Anglican church which was the ruling religious body in Britain at the time. After realizing that America, like Australia, had large amounts of space and arable land, The Government of Britain decided that America should be used as a penal colony. Between 1610 and 1776 over 50,000 British convicts were "transported" to the Americas. As well as many migrants attracted by the exotic new riches the American continent provided.

Australia's history is almost identical..


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Widewing - That is very interesting reading. I knew the British supported the Confederete cause, but but did not realise the full reasons for the lack of intervention. Its not like Britian is afraid of sticking its nose in where it doesn't belong. Looking at Ireland and India.

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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #133 on: September 26, 2012, 11:51:17 AM »
vote madhogg for 2016,   :rolleyes:
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Re: Last time USA defeated the queens navy?
« Reply #134 on: September 26, 2012, 01:38:46 PM »
vote madhogg for 2016,   :rolleyes:
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