Organisation – a limited concept?

[Shuffler]

Let's put this plan into action. Everyone unemployed can sit around all day and plan the offenses and defenses. Then when all the workers get home and check in we can put their strategy into effect for that evening.

[surfinn]

Coordinated Small attacks work well up to a point. Point in case me and a wing man spent three hours doing nothing but porking ords at three key bases bish were trying to launch attacks from. We had very little effect. We hit our targets reliably every time but as soon as the bish wanted to launch one of their mass attacks they would simply mass resupply. So a base with ords and dar down was fully back up before we even left the bases dar ring. Its a great tactic and honestly I wish I would have brought another player with rockets to kill the resuping m3s;) Of course he would have had to fight through the 4 spits that were launched to kill us;) Porking ords has become almost useless in stopping hordes with the new resupply parameters.

[Chilli]

Well, HiTech gives us these pretty cool tools to help us organize.  Tunable range channels, mission briefs, mission waypoints, and now new .dt commands that give us time management details.  Then, just one La7 streaks out from the airfield or down from the clouds and wounds a single troop.

Whenever so many things have to come together to render a single result, the morale of players is effected.  This has been the case for so long, that the MAJORITY of VOCAL players claim they care nothing at all for the game play side.

It gets much more complicated than all this but the bottom line is success breeds success.  Running into the category of  just falling short, quickly earns you the squelch function.

[kvuo75]

Porking ords has become almost useless in stopping hordes with the new resupply parameters.

how so? resupply is less effective now than it was before.. it only used to take 5 loads to completely bring ords/troops/dar/etc fully up.

[Lusche]

how so? resupply is less effective now than it was before.. it only used to take 5 loads to completely bring ords/troops/dar/etc fully up.

Now it takes 2 runs for a single player starting at the moment the ords go down, if the factory is at 100% - which they are most of the time.

This chart I made for the city/town, but the numbers are the same for ammo factory/ords



If you have several player resupplying, the runs/time required would go down accordingly.

[bustr]

Chilli,

The neat tools don't matter to the majority of players. The minority who have complained loudly for years to be given these neat tools are now complaining for a different reason. They cannot use the neat tools to control the actions of the majority of players like robotic Stratego peices to execute their otherwise perfict complex plans.

The rest of us are living through the 6 to 9 months of trial and error to adapt to the current changes and get back to exploiting the weaknesses in the process to have the most disorganised fun possible. The best reason to read these ongoing complaint posts is the free analysis of the weeknesses to shave off some time from the 6 to 9 months of trial and error. Who else is better qualified to analyse the new process and identify the weaknesses than the geniuses who asked for the change?

Eventualy they will get down to their other unspoken complaint HTC will Mode them for in here. We are dumber than stumps and are spoiling their utopian image of how the game should be played. Then they will ask for more strategic tools. This in the utopian hope eventualy the tools will account for our stupidity and unwillingness to follow anything but our personal myopic selfishness in the face of their greater strategic visions. The holy grail of these tools functions by taking advantage of those baser qualities as a function of the tool and not a function of personal charisma.

I always thought that was the mission planner and the personal charisma of the person or squad posting the mission. But, then thats messier and full of stupid uncontrolable people unlike Stratego or Chess.

[Lusche]

Who is "they" and could you point me at some of their "complaint posts"?

[caldera]

Now it takes 2 runs for a single player starting at the moment the ords go down, if the factory is at 100% - which they are most of the time.

This chart I made for the city/town, but the numbers are the same for ammo factory/ords

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If you have several player resupplying, the runs/time required would go down accordingly.

It only takes one player a single pass with a 190/la7/51d/etc to take out both ords and likely radar too on the reversal.  Then they run home with oil smoking and land their pork points.

[HawkerMKII]

For me (not to avoid COMBAT) why should our squad up buffs only to be seen 20 sectors away, fly 2hrs just to get jumped by 100 152's, 262's, 163's, and many more fighters whom only have to put in about 20 minutes of flight time. So what I am saying is whats the point if your seen on dar bar

[The Fugitive]

For me (not to avoid COMBAT) why should our squad up buffs only to be seen 20 sectors away, fly 2hrs just to get jumped by 100 152's, 262's, 163's, and many more fighters whom only have to put in about 20 minutes of flight time. So what I am saying is whats the point if your seen on dar bar

That's one of the reasons I hope they split the strats back up instead of being in one big group. Once that big old dar bar shows up everyone knows where it's going. If the strats are split they have to guess which why the group is going, or if it is going to split it self. Instead of a single 25 mile sector line to cover to spot the raid coming in you'll have a lot of ground to cover to spot them making that intercept ride longer and a bit chancyer in finding anything.

[Babalonian]

Chilli,

The neat tools don't matter to the majority of players. The minority who have complained loudly for years to be given these neat tools are now complaining for a different reason. They cannot use the neat tools to control the actions of the majority of players like robotic Stratego peices to execute their otherwise perfict complex plans.

The rest of us are living through the 6 to 9 months of trial and error to adapt to the current changes and get back to exploiting the weaknesses in the process to have the most disorganised fun possible. The best reason to read these ongoing complaint posts is the free analysis of the weeknesses to shave off some time from the 6 to 9 months of trial and error. Who else is better qualified to analyse the new process and identify the weaknesses than the geniuses who asked for the change?

Eventualy they will get down to their other unspoken complaint HTC will Mode them for in here. We are dumber than stumps and are spoiling their utopian image of how the game should be played. Then they will ask for more strategic tools. This in the utopian hope eventualy the tools will account for our stupidity and unwillingness to follow anything but our personal myopic selfishness in the face of their greater strategic visions. The holy grail of these tools functions by taking advantage of those baser qualities as a function of the tool and not a function of personal charisma.

I always thought that was the mission planner and the personal charisma of the person or squad posting the mission. But, then thats messier and full of stupid uncontrolable people unlike Stratego or Chess.

I assure you Bustr, HTCs has known of our malcomplacency longer than we have.

[Zoney]

For me (not to avoid COMBAT) why should our squad up buffs only to be seen 20 sectors away, fly 2hrs just to get jumped by 100 152's, 262's, 163's, and many more fighters whom only have to put in about 20 minutes of flight time. So what I am saying is whats the point if your seen on dar bar

I'm thinking that in Real Life that is what the Bomber pilots were thinking too.  So then they went to the aircraft designers and said "Hey you guys, we are tired of being shot down by enemy fighters in our bombers.  Do you think we could maybe have some of our own enemy fighter to fly along with us and shoot some of their enemy fighters down  BEFORE they shoot our bombers down?".  And the aircraft designers thought about that for awhile and they decided this was a good idea so they designed them and then the builders built them and the flyers flied them and verily I say unto you it was good, and a new age was born.  Now luckily them there genuises at Aces High are WAY ahead of this deal so they already have them there fighter ready for a whole bunch of us fighter pilots to take up and defend your bombers, verily.  The trick is, ya gotta ask for a few guys to escort you and thwart them thar enemy fighters.  Guys like me.  Just waiting for you to ask who love to escort, verily.

Have P47N, will escort sir <S>.

[guncrasher]

For me (not to avoid COMBAT) why should our squad up buffs only to be seen 20 sectors away, fly 2hrs just to get jumped by 100 152's, 262's, 163's, and many more fighters whom only have to put in about 20 minutes of flight time. So what I am saying is whats the point if your seen on dar bar

all 3 countries have buffs attacking each other strats.  if you dont want to fly for 2 hours in buffs, then spend 20 minutes defending yours.  or heck dont hit the strats, nobody is forcing you to, hit the damn 20 bases that are between where you up and the strats you will probably end up with more perks anyway.

semp

[kvuo75]

Now it takes 2 runs for a single player starting at the moment the ords go down, if the factory is at 100% - which they are most of the time.

This chart I made for the city/town, but the numbers are the same for ammo factory/ords

(Image removed from quote.)

If you have several player resupplying, the runs/time required would go down accordingly.

well hell, that shows how much i have been paying attention. i thought player supplies only took off 4 minutes?

 

[Lusche]

i thought player supplies only took off 4 minutes?

Yes, but for City/factories/HQ

Town and field object resupply is 10 minutes restored per drop.