U.S. Soldier Survives Taliban Machine Gun Fire During Firefight

[guncrasher]

Well smokinloon mistakes can be made by looking at a video.  For example you claim that rodney could not have been killed because he was only hit in the legs however in reality he was hit several times on the head and back. 



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[Xjazz]

I'm guessing you mean rotoscoping, and it's pretty clear you don't know anything about it.

Thanks for the clarification.
True, I never used it by myself, but I'm just aware of this CGI technique in general.

My comment was towards SmokinLoon's "I still say no one could "edit" in the bullet impacts so very near him,..." comment.
Why a small buffs of dust are too difficult to rotoscoping, when it's possible to add a half world full of action to the films?

[Masherbrum]

Well smokinloon mistakes can be made by looking at a video.  For example you claim that rodney could not have been killed because he was only hit in the legs however in reality he was hit several times on the head and back. 



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He also said King was on PCP.   

[SmokinLoon]

Well smokinloon mistakes can be made by looking at a video.  For example you claim that rodney could not have been killed because he was only hit in the legs however in reality he was hit several times on the head and back.  
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If would have read the entire report you would have known that most of his head injuries were from him being pressed/stepped on while (pin the head and *usually* pin the body) on the ground for reasons of immobilization.  They didn't used their batons on his head, he suffered no concussion or fractures to his head/skull and a PR24 would certainly have done that ease.  

Trust me, you are fighting battle you cant win.  Stop trying to be the White Knight and move along.

As far as the PCP goes- the toxicology reports showed that he did not not have PCP in his system, but they did show elevated levels of other such pain numbing chemicals (which ones I do not remember).  King admitted to having consumed a number of illegal substances within the previous 4-5 days but PCP was not one of them.  King did not respond to any of the pain compliance, hence the initial theory that he was high on PCP.  During the trial more than one person testified that King may have not felt a thing thanks to the multiple chemicals he had in his body. The parallels of alcohol and tranquilizers were made.  PCP was a term thrown around in comparison, my bad for using it directly.   

 

[tassos]

That Looked not very Coordinadet ,IM going down Hill thats not Teamwork

[Rich46yo]

If would have read the entire report you would have known that most of his head injuries were from him being pressed/stepped on while (pin the head and *usually* pin the body) on the ground for reasons of immobilization.  They didn't used their batons on his head, he suffered no concussion or fractures to his head/skull and a PR24 would certainly have done that ease.   

Trust me, you are fighting battle you cant win.  Stop trying to be the White Knight and move along.

Those guys got railroaded. Thanks also to old man Bush for that one. So a lifelong felon gets millions of the taxpayers $$ and finally drinks and snorts himself to death with it. Only in America.

To the subject. Its very hard to know what happened watching a helmet vid cam. To begin with with soldiers arent trained to automatically duck and wait out gun fire. They deploy towards it in order to take out the enemy. But every situation is different and who knows what actually happened there? "If", and I say "If" the guy wanted his Kodak moment and exposed himself for the footage then he no doubt regretted it after getting hit. But nobody knows except those there.

Strange but a video doesn't capture the sound of actually having a high power weapon fired  AT you. Its far different then hearing one at a range towards your side. I guess only the human ear can really capture what its like to have someone trying to shoot you. Its not a pleasant experience.

[danny76]

Those guys got railroaded. Thanks also to old man Bush for that one. So a lifelong felon gets millions of the taxpayers $$ and finally drinks and snorts himself to death with it. Only in America.

To the subject. Its very hard to know what happened watching a helmet vid cam. To begin with with soldiers arent trained to automatically duck and wait out gun fire. They deploy towards it in order to take out the enemy. But every situation is different and who knows what actually happened there? "If", and I say "If" the guy wanted his Kodak moment and exposed himself for the footage then he no doubt regretted it after getting hit. But nobody knows except those there.

Strange but a video doesn't capture the sound of actually having a high power weapon fired  AT you. Its far different then hearing one at a range towards your side. I guess only the human ear can really capture what its like to have someone trying to shoot you. Its not a pleasant experience.

Really?

Reaction to Effective Enemy Fire : Dash, Down, Crawl, Observe, Sights, Fire. Maybe he didn't think the fire was effective although bullets round your feet is usually a good indication.

It is definitely possible to hear the difference, even on recorded footage, but then we don't know the range or the type of weapon used, you could however make a comfortable bet at a certain ubiquitous Soviet Block weapon. Which would suggest pretty damn close, within 4-600 m. Further with an RPK or even a Degtyaryev.

[guncrasher]

If would have read the entire report you would have known that most of his head injuries were from him being pressed/stepped on while (pin the head and *usually* pin the body) on the ground for reasons of immobilization.  They didn't used their batons on his head, he suffered no concussion or fractures to his head/skull and a PR24 would certainly have done that ease.  

Trust me, you are fighting battle you cant win.  Stop trying to be the White Knight and move along.

As far as the PCP goes- the toxicology reports showed that he did not not have PCP in his system, but they did show elevated levels of other such pain numbing chemicals (which ones I do not remember).  King admitted to having consumed a number of illegal substances within the previous 4-5 days but PCP was not one of them.  King did not respond to any of the pain compliance, hence the initial theory that he was high on PCP.  During the trial more than one person testified that King may have not felt a thing thanks to the multiple chemicals he had in his body. The parallels of alcohol and tranquilizers were made.  PCP was a term thrown around in comparison, my bad for using it directly.   

 

See that is the reality people can look at a video and reach different conclusions.  I can clearly see him getting hit on the head at least 10 times, you don't and yet  we are looking at the same video.

As for the soldiers video,  bullets hitting nearby, well look at saving pv Ryan it's not difficult to create the same effect as for sounds, bullets hitting nearby is easy to make. Add the fact that the guy who uploaded it didnt bother to reply when asked about the video. Well it turns out later that it was not fake well basically great, and that's it.


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[MrRiplEy[H]]

I bet this guy is well liked in his squad. He has the great idea of walking down the hill exposing himself to any enemy fire possible 'to draw fire from the rest of the team'. Then he gets tagged and calls for the rest of his team to rescue him, effectively getting the exact opposite effect.

[Rich46yo]

Really?

Reaction to Effective Enemy Fire : Dash, Down, Crawl, Observe, Sights, Fire. Maybe he didn't think the fire was effective although bullets round your feet is usually a good indication.

They "access". They might even get an order to attack into the teeth of it. Of course your immediate reaction should be to find cover but theres no way to know what was actually going on in that video. People can do strange things when under fire.

[danny76]

They "access". They might even get an order to attack into the teeth of it. Of course your immediate reaction should be to find cover but theres no way to know what was actually going on in that video. People can do strange things when under fire.

In my limited experience the strange result is immediately trying to dig shell scrapes with my eyelids

[coombz]

See that is the reality people can look at a video and reach different conclusions.  I can clearly see him getting hit on the head at least 10 times, you don't and yet  we are looking at the same video.

Well, SmokinLoon is an LEO or ex-LEO

Those guys see things differently from regular folks

For example, they can see a securely handcuffed person wriggling around on the ground and think that they are enough of a threat to need to be shot or tased

[Nathan60]

Well, SmokinLoon is an LEO or ex-LEO

Those guys see things differently from regular folks

For example, they can see a securely handcuffed person wriggling around on the ground and think that they are enough of a threat to need to be shot or tased

If I saw someone hwiggling aroundf on the ground after I told them to stay still and kNoing they could be taking something out of a pockket  yeah I would be concerend aswell.

[SmokinLoon]

Well, SmokinLoon is an LEO or ex-LEO

Those guys see things differently from regular folks

For example, they can see a securely handcuffed person wriggling around on the ground and think that they are enough of a threat to need to be shot or tased

Ex-LEO, deputy sheriff to be exact.  And no, not hardly do I see the world differently than regular folks.  Don't be so liberal and over-generalize, that isn't right.     But, I will admit I did hit a guy in the head with my 16in Asp baton.  I was aiming for his arm when he put up his arm to deflect but it was under my swing.  The result was my baton glancing off his shoulder and hitting him the side of his head.  Needless to say he dropped to his knees and put his hands up immediately.  No concussion and just a wee bit of blood, but swelling the size of a goose egg.  With that information, lets see what conclusions you and the other analyst can draw regarding that occurrence, shall we?      

*hands hook back to coombzy*

[uptown]

Found this on the "Phil DeFranco" show
Not sure if you've seen this but Holy Crap

Is this guy a hero or an idiot?  <Not my words>



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLHU-_OhT8g

IDIOT